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请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

原文链接:https://forum.iask.ca/threads/122965/

winsa : 2007-08-13#1
请问各位前辈:
06年国内高分子化学硕士毕业,想在加拿大读个博士(感觉现在国内的博士有些泛滥成灾),现在正在申请移民,最近看帖子有网友说那边博士毕业很难找工作,是这样吗?
另外,加拿大承认国内的硕士学位吗?如果不承认是不是需要重新读一遍硕士?
谢谢!

游客 : 2007-08-13#2
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

不好找。 加拿大读博,一般用本科申请。

winsa : 2007-08-13#3
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晕,那还要读个5、6年,还是直接找工作算了。

英大俊 : 2007-09-22#4
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哈哈哈。你真逗。

如果加拿大的博士“一般用本科生申请”,那两年的硕士们不都白念了?

实际上,博士生的申请竞争非常激烈,一般水平的硕士生根本申请不上!!

不好找。 加拿大读博,一般用本科申请。

ludek : 2007-09-22#5
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这个专业好像不太好找,和学历没有关系

我是游客 : 2007-09-22#6
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国内的学历不承认,无论博士还是十波?

游客 : 2007-09-23#7
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哈哈哈。你真逗。

如果加拿大的博士“一般用本科生申请”,那两年的硕士们不都白念了?

实际上,博士生的申请竞争非常激烈,一般水平的硕士生根本申请不上!!

一般来说北美的教授喜欢从本科毕业选研究生,并且希望带到博士 也就是国内的直博, 因为这样5年下来学生导师才熟悉, 课题项目等也都熟悉, 才能深入的做些研究, 哪像国内的博士生, 2-3年就能研究出什么? 硕士只是个中间学位, 是给那些未完成博士学位的人.

SPIKE : 2007-09-23#8
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大家认识几个在加拿大的博士啊,就说这说那?
西方的博士一般都很长时间才能毕业,6、7年很正常,年纪大了就要好好考虑了。
博士难找工作可能与其适合的职位一般比较高,少有关。本人也只是想,如果博士又花时间,那么长时间出来还找到好工作,那加拿大的大学不都找不到学生了,最终不得倒闭?最终变成college就大家开心了。

bluefirer25 : 2007-09-23#9
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在加拿大,工作经验比文凭更重要,所以,楼主三思。

alex_lz2005 : 2007-09-23#10
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知道一个在这边学“固体物理”(不知道对不对)的博士?master?,毕业后找不到工作,最后还是靠着以前帮人修收音机电视机之类的底子在电子场干活。。。

alex_lz2005 : 2007-09-23#11
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化学的可能好一些吧?。。。

游客 : 2007-09-23#12
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大家认识几个在加拿大的博士啊,就说这说那?
西方的博士一般都很长时间才能毕业,6、7年很正常,年纪大了就要好好考虑了。
博士难找工作可能与其适合的职位一般比较高,少有关。本人也只是想,如果博士又花时间,那么长时间出来还找到好工作,那加拿大的大学不都找不到学生了,最终不得倒闭?最终变成college就大家开心了。

博士当然不好找, 高精尖的人员的需要少. 不像国内, 都快人人一个硕士或博士的头衔. 北美只有需要才会念博士, 不会只弄个好听的头衔带上.

远离都市 : 2007-09-23#13
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

蒋博士拥有普渡和多大两个PHD学位,要好找,也不跳桥了.

lily2004 : 2007-09-23#14
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

知道一个在这边学“固体物理”(不知道对不对)的博士?master?,毕业后找不到工作,最后还是靠着以前帮人修收音机电视机之类的底子在电子场干活。。。
固体物理,如果是单纯的理论研究,在国内找工作都比较费劲呢.什么专业都有研究方向,如果研究方向不好,直接影响着找工作.

英大俊 : 2007-09-24#15
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

这位同志肯定不认识加拿大的博士,或者说没有申请过加拿大的博士。

这里申请博士的最起码的资格是,必须要拥有master degree!!

一般来说北美的教授喜欢从本科毕业选研究生,并且希望带到博士 也就是国内的直博, 因为这样5年下来学生导师才熟悉, 课题项目等也都熟悉, 才能深入的做些研究, 哪像国内的博士生, 2-3年就能研究出什么? 硕士只是个中间学位, 是给那些未完成博士学位的人.

游客 : 2007-09-24#16
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

这位同志肯定不认识加拿大的博士,或者说没有申请过加拿大的博士。

这里申请博士的最起码的资格是,必须要拥有master degree!!

我认识都是美国的博士, 麻省理工, 伯克力的, 都是本科申请的.

张打油 : 2007-09-24#17
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

大家认识几个在加拿大的博士啊,就说这说那?
西方的博士一般都很长时间才能毕业,6、7年很正常,年纪大了就要好好考虑了。
博士难找工作可能与其适合的职位一般比较高,少有关。本人也只是想,如果博士又花时间,那么长时间出来还找到好工作,那加拿大的大学不都找不到学生了,最终不得倒闭?最终变成college就大家开心了。
国兵博士双头衔
职场拥挤没空填
新买房屋添幼子
愤然离世正英年
:wdb14:

远离都市 : 2007-09-24#18
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在加拿大本科以上就可申请PHD,以本科成绩为主。

英大俊 : 2007-09-24#19
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

在加拿大本科以上就可申请PHD,以本科成绩为主。

恩,有道理。加拿大的博士很难就业,因此没人愿意来读。博士生录取已经很难招到硕士毕业生了,只好去做本科生的工作。

下一步说不定开始打college学生的主意了。。。:wdb9:

远离都市 : 2007-09-24#20
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

恩,有道理。加拿大的博士很难就业,因此没人愿意来读。博士生录取已经很难招到硕士毕业生了,只好去做本科生的工作。

下一步说不定开始打college学生的主意了。。。:wdb9:
你对美国和加拿大的教育可以归为两个字:无知。

在美国加拿大,读PHD看重本科。MASTER随你读几个。我就有三个。另外法律和医学的本科都需你读完一个专业如数学,文学的本科后才能申请。我在常春藤大学工作。相信在这点上比你清楚。读完硕士当然也可申请PHD.所以我说本科以上就可申请PHD.

远离都市 : 2007-09-24#21
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远离都市 : 2007-09-24#22
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

事实上很多中国学生都是本科读完直接申请PHD,在美国加拿大,PHD要读5-6年。读完一般到大学教书。所谓难就是你要会教书。如你会教书,则不难找到工作。名牌大学毕业的博士就是到名牌大学教书或做研究。

远离都市 : 2007-09-24#23
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

另外,很多专业工作看重本科。如到中小学教书,要本科是教育学的。博士是教育学的但本科不是的可到大学教书,但不能到中小学教书。律师必须有法律本科。

georgek : 2007-09-25#24
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Thank you for the great sharing !

chenping58 : 2007-09-28#25
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各位别吵了,我即将成为美国博士了(6.5年了,受够了,计划年底毕业,大家先恭喜一下吧),估计和加国的区别不大,我能说说我的感想吗?

1.我用本科申请的,没读硕士.我读博士前工作过一段时间,有科研经验.但我很多同学,复旦的,北大大,科大的,南开的,都是本科一毕业就出来了.这种人都很牛.

2. 在北美,博士绝对没有硕士好找工作.我在找工网上看的大制药厂都招本科或硕士.一旦有招博士的,一般条件都极其高,我们这种刚毕业的博士是不够资格的.

3. 北美的博士被认为应该在学术界做研究,工业界不养那么多博士.这就是为什么博士没有硕士好找工作.

4.那么学术界如何呢?理工类的:博士毕业后要先做平均6年博士后,然后竞争进入"终身教授通道",6年.然后竞争当终身教授, N年.能真当上终身教授可以说百里挑一了.其他的人要不一辈子博士后,运气好的还是能在工业界找工作(此时薪水极高).

5. 很多PhD program规定,不想读博士了就拿硕士学位.但也有独立的硕士学位.

6. 建议楼主读硕士.原因: 中国的硕士没有北美经验,不容易找工.
专业选择: 制药合成(和你原来的专业有关).
方法: 有Master program的直接申请master.也可以申请PhD.program,然后退学拿master degree找工.

Good luck!

chenping58 : 2007-09-28#26
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

关于什么专业好找工作,什么学历好找工作,大家多看几个招工网站就知道了.

我是游客 : 2007-09-28#27
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博士???

小鹌鹑 : 2007-09-28#28
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认识的博士没有一个4年按时毕业的, 5年,6年多毕业的大有人在. 加拿大的PHD钱很少, 给的钱除掉tuition fee,到手1000多点,日子过得紧巴巴的.每周要做tutor.觉得就是给导师打工换生活费,另外给你点设备玩玩,发几个paper.这样清贫的生活状态要持续5,6年呢,遇到变态的导师,就更倒霉了.都不知道啥时候毕业.希望早点混个degree找工作的还是读个master,顺利的话2年就好了. 当然一门心思要在学术里钻研的人读PHD是要的,然后博士后......很多PHD毕业出来不容易进入工业界, 找工作的时候你会发现原来很多公司要你有的你都没有.所以如果想毕业后工业界找到工作,平时一定要用心去学那些实用的东西,争取做点工业界有兴趣的项目,paper只要够数就好.学问多经验少很致命的.一家之言,仅供参考. 至于申请research的master或者phd关键是要和导师联系,人家给你钱当然是人家说了算.

aficionado_78 : 2007-09-30#29
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

在美国加拿大,读PHD看重本科。MASTER随你读几个。 真的吗??
我国内本科是土木工程,硕士是机械电子,如果申请读硕,是不是需要申请和土木相关的专业呢?原打算过去读博的,都说博士难毕业还难找工作,:wdb13:还是申请读个硕士算了吧:wdb23:

小鹌鹑 : 2007-09-30#30
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

在美国加拿大,读PHD看重本科。MASTER随你读几个。 真的吗??
我国内本科是土木工程,硕士是机械电子,如果申请读硕,是不是需要申请和土木相关的专业呢?原打算过去读博的,都说博士难毕业还难找工作,:wdb13:还是申请读个硕士算了吧:wdb23:
也未必, 有的公司要人要求起码是master, 看专业的。土木,机械电子工程不了解。明白的同志来回答好了。不过PHD时间太长,想尽快毕业找工作的同志就不用考虑了,毕竟PHD学校钱给的少,如果拖家带口的,更辛苦。

alberto : 2010-07-28#31
回复: 请问在加拿大读个博士出来好找工作吗?

你对美国和加拿大的教育可以归为两个字:无知。

在美国加拿大,读PHD看重本科。MASTER随你读几个。我就有三个。另外法律和医学的本科都需你读完一个专业如数学,文学的本科后才能申请。我在常春藤大学工作。相信在这点上比你清楚。读完硕士当然也可申请PHD.所以我说本科以上就可申请PHD.
这人或许不无知的,一个过分严肃的人跟一个调侃的人对话而已。