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新移民在温哥华机场被警察打死. 加拿大还是心中的加拿大吗????

原文链接:https://forum.iask.ca/threads/139464/

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-16#1
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/11/14/bc-taservideo.html

大家看看CBC的报道, 我的心很痛. 理想的家园和国内有什么区别呢?

lemon25 : 2007-11-16#2
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大家赶紧 撤案!

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-16#3
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An eyewitness's video recording of a man dying after being stunned with a Taser by police on Oct. 14 at Vancouver International Airport has been released to the public.

Robert Dziekanski is jolted by a shot from an RCMP Taser.
(Paul Pritchard)
The 10-minute video recording clearly shows four RCMP officers talking to Robert Dziekanski while he is standing with his back to a counter and with his arms lowered by his sides, but his hands are not visible.
About 25 seconds after police enter the secure area where he is, there is a loud crack that sounds like a Taser shot, followed by Dziekanski screaming and convulsing as he stumbles and falls to the floor.
Another loud crack can be heard as an officer appears to fire one more Taser shot into Dziekanski.
As the officers kneel on top of Dziekanski and handcuff him, he continues to scream and convulse on the floor.
One officer is heard to say, "Hit him again. Hit him again," and there is another loud cracking sound.
Police have said only two Taser shots were fired, but a witness said she heard up to four Taser shots.

Robert Dziekanski falls to the floor as an RCMP officer looks on.
(Paul Pritchard)
A minute and half after the first Taser shot was fired Dziekanski stops moaning and convulsing and becomes still and silent.
Shortly after, the officers appear to be checking his condition and one officer is heard to say, "code red."
The video ends shortly after.
Minutes later, ambulance attendants arrived but their efforts to revive Dziekanski were unsuccessful and he was declared dead.
RCMP spokesman Cpl. Dale Carr said no one can judge what happened to Dziekanski by just watching the video.
"It's just one piece of evidence, one person's view. There are many people that we have spoken to," RCMP spokesman Cpl. Dale Carr said at a press conference Wednesday afternoon.

Four RCMP officers subdue Robert Dziekanski after stunning him with a Taser on Oct. 14 at Vancouver airport.
(Paul Pritchard)
"What I urge is that those watching the video, take note of that. Put what they've seen aside for the time being. And wait to hear the totality of the evidence at the time of the inquest," Carr said.
But retired superintendent Ron Foyle, a 33-year veteran of the Vancouver police who saw the video tape, said he didn't know "why it ever became a police incident."
"It didn't seem that he made any threatening gestures towards them," Foyle said.
Much of the video was shot through the glass walls that separate the international arrivals lounge from a secure area outside the Canada Customs exit.
The video was recorded in three segments. The first segment shows Dziekanski before police arrive.
He is clearly agitated, yelling in Polish, and appears to be sweating. He can be seen taking office chairs and putting them in front of the security doors. He then picks up a small table, which he holds, while a woman in the arrivals lounge calmly speaks to him in apparent effort to calm him down.

Before police arrived, Robert Dziekanski picked up a small table and put it in the doorway between the customs exit area and a public lounge.
(Paul Pritchard)
In the second segment, Dziekanski picks up a computer and throws it to the ground. Three airport personnel arrive and block the exit from the secure area, but Dziekanski retreats inside and does not threaten them.
Officers arrive in lounge

Then four RCMP officers arrive in the lounge. Someone can be heard mentioning the word Tasers.
Someone replies, "Yes," as the officers approach the security doors.
Police have said repeatedly that there were only three RCMP officers involved in the incident, but the video shows four men in RCMP uniforms.
People in the lounge can be heard clearly telling the police Dziekanski speaks no English, only Russian. His mother later said he only spoke Polish.
Police enter the secure area with no problems and can be seen with Dziekanski standing calmly talking with officers. They appear to direct him to stand against a wall, which he does.
As he is standing there, one of the officers shoots him with a Taser.
RCMP officers have also said police did not use pepper spray because of the large number of people at the airport at the time. But the video shows Dziekanski standing alone with the four officers in an otherwise empty area, which is separated from the public area by a thick glass wall.
Pritchard hired lawyer


Paul Pritchard, right, accompanied by his lawyer, Paul Pearson, at a recent press conference, said that he feels police are trying to manipulate the truth.
(CBC)
Paul Pritchard shot the video with his digital camera, but afterward he surrendered it to police for their investigation on a promise that they would return it within 48 hours.
The next day, police told Pritchard they would not be returning the recording as promised.
Carr previously stated investigators kept the video longer than they anticipated in order to protect the integrity of the police investigation while they interviewed witnesses.
Saying he feared a coverup by police, Pritchard then engaged a lawyer to start legal proceedings to reclaim the recording. Police returned the recording to him on Wednesday.
Dziekanski, 40, died on Oct. 14, hours after he arrived at Vancouver International Airport. He was on his way to Kamloops to live with his mother in the B.C. Interior.

Robert Dziekanski with his mother Zofia Cisowski in Poland, before she emigrated to Canada.
The Polish immigrant arrived from Europe the previous day around 4 p.m., but for some unknown reason he did not clear customs until after midnight.
Dziekanski's mother had already returned home to Kamloops after waiting for several hours at the airport. She claims airport officials offered her no help locating her son.
The RCMP's integrated homicide investigation team, the B.C. coroner's service, the Vancouver International Airport Authority and the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP are each conducting their own investigations into the incident.
ht.
Dziekanski's mother had already returned home to Kamloops after waiting for several hours at the airport. She claims airport officials offered her no help locating her son.
The RCMP's integrated homicide investigation team, the B.C. coroner's service, the Vancouver International Airport Authority and the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP are each conducting their own investigations into the incident.

lemon25 : 2007-11-16#4
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An eyewitness's video recording of a man dying after being stunned with a Taser by police on Oct. 14 at Vancouver International Airport has been released to the public.

Robert Dziekanski is jolted by a shot from an RCMP Taser.

(Paul Pritchard)
The 10-minute video recording clearly shows four RCMP officers talking to Robert Dziekanski while he is standing with his back to a counter and with his arms lowered by his sides, but his hands are not visible.
About 25 seconds after police enter the secure area where he is, there is a loud crack that sounds like a Taser shot, followed by Dziekanski screaming and convulsing as he stumbles and falls to the floor.
Another loud crack can be heard as an officer appears to fire one more Taser shot into Dziekanski.
As the officers kneel on top of Dziekanski and handcuff him, he continues to scream and convulse on the floor.
One officer is heard to say, "Hit him again. Hit him again," and there is another loud cracking sound.
Police have said only two Taser shots were fired, but a witness said she heard up to four Taser shots.

Robert Dziekanski falls to the floor as an RCMP officer looks on.

(Paul Pritchard)
A minute and half after the first Taser shot was fired Dziekanski stops moaning and convulsing and becomes still and silent.
Shortly after, the officers appear to be checking his condition and one officer is heard to say, "code red."
The video ends shortly after.
Minutes later, ambulance attendants arrived but their efforts to revive Dziekanski were unsuccessful and he was declared dead.
RCMP spokesman Cpl. Dale Carr said no one can judge what happened to Dziekanski by just watching the video.
"It's just one piece of evidence, one person's view. There are many people that we have spoken to," RCMP spokesman Cpl. Dale Carr said at a press conference Wednesday afternoon.

Four RCMP officers subdue Robert Dziekanski after stunning him with a Taser on Oct. 14 at Vancouver airport.

(Paul Pritchard)
"What I urge is that those watching the video, take note of that. Put what they've seen aside for the time being. And wait to hear the totality of the evidence at the time of the inquest," Carr said.
But retired superintendent Ron Foyle, a 33-year veteran of the Vancouver police who saw the video tape, said he didn't know "why it ever became a police incident."
"It didn't seem that he made any threatening gestures towards them," Foyle said.
Much of the video was shot through the glass walls that separate the international arrivals lounge from a secure area outside the Canada Customs exit.
The video was recorded in three segments. The first segment shows Dziekanski before police arrive.
He is clearly agitated, yelling in Polish, and appears to be sweating. He can be seen taking office chairs and putting them in front of the security doors. He then picks up a small table, which he holds, while a woman in the arrivals lounge calmly speaks to him in apparent effort to calm him down.

Before police arrived, Robert Dziekanski picked up a small table and put it in the doorway between the customs exit area and a public lounge.

(Paul Pritchard)
In the second segment, Dziekanski picks up a computer and throws it to the ground. Three airport personnel arrive and block the exit from the secure area, but Dziekanski retreats inside and does not threaten them.
Officers arrive in lounge

Then four RCMP officers arrive in the lounge. Someone can be heard mentioning the word Tasers.
Someone replies, "Yes," as the officers approach the security doors.
Police have said repeatedly that there were only three RCMP officers involved in the incident, but the video shows four men in RCMP uniforms.
People in the lounge can be heard clearly telling the police Dziekanski speaks no English, only Russian. His mother later said he only spoke Polish.
Police enter the secure area with no problems and can be seen with Dziekanski standing calmly talking with officers. They appear to direct him to stand against a wall, which he does.
As he is standing there, one of the officers shoots him with a Taser.
RCMP officers have also said police did not use pepper spray because of the large number of people at the airport at the time. But the video shows Dziekanski standing alone with the four officers in an otherwise empty area, which is separated from the public area by a thick glass wall.
Pritchard hired lawyer


Paul Pritchard, right, accompanied by his lawyer, Paul Pearson, at a recent press conference, said that he feels police are trying to manipulate the truth.

(CBC)
Paul Pritchard shot the video with his digital camera, but afterward he surrendered it to police for their investigation on a promise that they would return it within 48 hours.
The next day, police told Pritchard they would not be returning the recording as promised.
Carr previously stated investigators kept the video longer than they anticipated in order to protect the integrity of the police investigation while they interviewed witnesses.
Saying he feared a coverup by police, Pritchard then engaged a lawyer to start legal proceedings to reclaim the recording. Police returned the recording to him on Wednesday.
Dziekanski, 40, died on Oct. 14, hours after he arrived at Vancouver International Airport. He was on his way to Kamloops to live with his mother in the B.C. Interior.

Robert Dziekanski with his mother Zofia Cisowski in Poland, before she emigrated to Canada.
The Polish immigrant arrived from Europe the previous day around 4 p.m., but for some unknown reason he did not clear customs until after midnight.
Dziekanski's mother had already returned home to Kamloops after waiting for several hours at the airport. She claims airport officials offered her no help locating her son.
The RCMP's integrated homicide investigation team, the B.C. coroner's service, the Vancouver International Airport Authority and the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP are each conducting their own investigations into the incident.
ht.
Dziekanski's mother had already returned home to Kamloops after waiting for several hours at the airport. She claims airport officials offered her no help locating her son.
The RCMP's integrated homicide investigation team, the B.C. coroner's service, the Vancouver International Airport Authority and the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP are each conducting their own investigations into the incident.
妈妈呀!:wdb13:

dreamfly3333 : 2007-11-16#5
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无论在哪个国家都会有这样的事啊

又见飞刀 : 2007-11-16#6
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呵呵,再次说明地球上没有天堂。

lemon25 : 2007-11-16#7
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那,俺想撤案......

lemon25 : 2007-11-16#8
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为了什么事情被打死?枪击么?

lemon25 : 2007-11-16#9
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呵呵,再次说明地球上没有天堂。
俺一直都没认为天堂不在天上而在地球上!:wdb21:

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-16#10
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06年的FN.一直在默默等待.

也一直在默默的关注加拿大,所以经常登陆CBC. 一方面能提前了解加拿大,一方面想通过这个学英语. 但是了解得越多,失望越大. 腐败,枪支犯罪,黑帮真的是触目惊心.

真希望是因为加拿大的新闻自由,才让我看见如此多黑暗.

steven831 : 2007-11-16#11
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个案能说明什么问题??不要把一个小case无限放大,这人是砸电脑后被非致命武器打死的。当年中国的那个孙志刚好像砸电脑,就是个暂住证没掏出来,不一样被警察弄死了,启不死的更冤。

annieshen : 2007-11-16#12
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够震撼,对加拿大的声誉有极大的打击,何况还是个移民国家...

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-16#13
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任何的历史都是个案组成的.

每个个案对于当事人都是全部. 也许我们哪天就会成为当事人.

我从新闻中没有看出这个人先砸过电脑.

我们等待最终的调查结果吧.

如果没有被偷拍被公布, 是不是也一样的被隐瞒了.

oops : 2007-11-16#14
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真会开玩笑,这种事情能隐瞒得了么?这里的媒体都是吃素的啊,况且还有受害者家属

借个马甲 : 2007-11-16#15
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任何的历史都是个案组成的.

每个个案对于当事人都是全部. 也许我们哪天就会成为当事人.

我从新闻中没有看出这个人先砸过电脑.

我们等待最终的调查结果吧.

如果没有被偷拍被公布, 是不是也一样的被隐瞒了.
有见地.

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-16#16
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看看这段,Pritchard就怕警察会掩盖事实,所以请律师要回视频.

Paul Pritchard shot the video with his digital camera, but afterward he surrendered it to police for their investigation on a promise that they would return it within 48 hours.
The next day, police told Pritchard they would not be returning the recording as promised.
Carr previously stated investigators kept the video longer than they anticipated in order to protect the integrity of the police investigation while they interviewed witnesses.
Saying he feared a coverup by police, Pritchard then engaged a lawyer to start legal proceedings to reclaim the recording. Police returned the recording to him on Wednesday

steven831 : 2007-11-16#17
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任何的历史都是个案组成的.

每个个案对于当事人都是全部. 也许我们哪天就会成为当事人.

我从新闻中没有看出这个人先砸过电脑.

我们等待最终的调查结果吧.

如果没有被偷拍被公布, 是不是也一样的被隐瞒了.


"Dziekanski picks up a computer and throws it to the ground"

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-16#18
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还有这句.

Police have said repeatedly that there were only three RCMP officers involved in the incident, but the video shows four men in RCMP uniforms.

steven831 : 2007-11-16#19
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看东方卫视报道,这人等他妈10小时等烦了,然后砸了台电脑,警察随后开枪

steven831 : 2007-11-16#20
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打得在地上熬熬叫

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-16#21
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警察历来都是最黑暗的地方

RCMP被掀了几次,头都被掀了,但还是没被掀开.

lemon25 : 2007-11-16#22
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語言不通鬧機場 移民遭加國警電擊致死
記者: 蘇瑜棻 攝影: 外電 報導

加拿大溫哥華國際機場,爆發一起爭議性的命案,1名波蘭新移民,因為不滿在機場等了10個小時大鬧機場,警方使用5萬伏特的電擊棒壓制卻致人於死,整起事件都被其他旅客拍了下來,引發警方執法過當的爭議。

40歲的波蘭移民德斯堪斯基情緒激動,他拿起電腦和摺疊桌砸向機場的玻璃門,第一次出國要移民到加拿大投靠媽媽,德斯堪斯基搭乘的班機,比預定時間早到了10個鐘頭,不會講英文又無法出關,就這樣在行李區困了10個小時,見不到在外等候的母親情緒終於爆發。

航站人員通知警方,3、4個航警很快出現,把這個語言不通的新移民團團包圍,甚至不管他,舉起雙手往後退,拿起5萬伏特的電擊棒直接制伏。

被電到昏倒在地哀嚎大叫,警方還電了第二次,並且把人壓在地上,德斯堪斯基送醫後不治,把這一切全都拍了下來,目擊者說警方舉動真的太過分。影帶拍攝者:「最不舒服的部分是,其中一個警察還用腳和膝蓋,把他的頭和脖子壓在地上。」

驚人的畫面一公開,引發外界抨擊跟討論,不過加國警方說,這不是全部的事實。警方發言人:「但是這只是片面的證據,只是一個人看到的,只是一個觀景窗看到的。」

警方提出辯駁,不過對失去了兒子的家屬來說,她想要的只是一個遲來的正義。受害者母親:「那是電擊,有人該做些什麼,因為那是殺人,他們殺了人。」

目前整起案件,已經進入司法程序,外界也出現員警以電擊棒執法,是否合理的討論。

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-16#23
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所以一定要学好英语.

lemon25 : 2007-11-16#24
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道哥:“素质,注意你的素质!”

wgzyl : 2007-11-16#25
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阿弥陀佛!慈悲为怀,愿人间美好!

lemon25 : 2007-11-16#26
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阿弥陀佛!慈悲为怀,愿人间美好!
老哥怎么不进来,光在门外发感慨?

tony_ca : 2007-11-16#27
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对付手无寸铁,未做何反抗的人,居然如此残忍,加拿大也有素质这样差的警察,真让人心寒。本来等ME等得还有些着急的,看来对加拿大不必抱过高期望,免得失望更深。

lemon25 : 2007-11-16#28
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对付手无寸铁,未做何反抗的人,居然如此残忍,加拿大也有素质这样差的警察,真让人心寒。本来等ME等得还有些着急的,看来对加拿大不必抱过高期望,免得失望更深。
建议你撤案!

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-16#29
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大家可以看看里边的视频.

kinali : 2007-11-16#30
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大家还是抓紧时间学习英语吧

lemon25 : 2007-11-16#31
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大家可以看看里边的视频.
不知道气宇轩昂心中的加拿大是个什么样的加拿大?:wdb23:

steven831 : 2007-11-16#32
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建议你撤案!
大家全撤了,就你一人申请得了

summerrain : 2007-11-16#33
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北美人就是粗鲁. 本来就是欧洲的混混移过去的.

tony_ca : 2007-11-16#34
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建议你撤案!
你以为中国类似的情况就少吗:wdb24::wdb23:

lemon25 : 2007-11-16#35
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北美人就是粗鲁. 本来就是欧洲的混混移过去的.
:wdb1:
就这水平,趁早回家抱孩子去!

lemon25 : 2007-11-16#36
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大家全撤了,就你一人申请得了
GOOD IDEA?BAD IDEA !

lemon25 : 2007-11-16#37
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你以为中国类似的情况就少吗:wdb24::wdb23:
:wdb24::wdb14:

maomaochong : 2007-11-16#38
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广州前几日凌晨四点海珠区警察开枪杀死一名男子,该男子是珠江医院的副教授医生。
这个世界哪里都有不幸。

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-16#39
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CBC的新闻论坛已经炸锅了.每个人都义愤填膺. 大家可以去看看加拿大人怎么说.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/bc/2007/11/whats_your_reaction_to_this_vi.html
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jason andrews (vancouver) wrote:

After watching the video it is clear the RCMP's version initially was not the real story. You can clearly see from the video that the man was backing up with his hands up. They were also told that he only spoke Russian when they spoke to him in English. How horrific for his poor mother to have to watch this video of her son's last moments.
I am grateful for this video being made available because otherwise we may not have ever known what really took place.I commend the young guy for pushing to have his video returned so we could see for ourselves.


Posted November 14, 2007 06:22 PM
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Edward (Vancouver) wrote:

#$%&#*! Pigs! If ever anyone deserved that epithet it is the o"fficers" in that video. A bunch of american cop/thug wannabees! They should be charged criminally with at a minimum, manslaughter and kicked off the force. My respect for the RCMP is at a new low now.

Posted November 14, 2007 06:11 PM

.. : 2007-11-16#40
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对付手无寸铁,未做何反抗的人,居然如此残忍,加拿大也有素质这样差的警察,真让人心寒。本来等ME等得还有些着急的,看来对加拿大不必抱过高期望,免得失望更深。

之前什么砸电脑之类的事情没看到不好说。
但从录像上看到的,那个男子其实很老实也很平静。
他只是站在那里,警察过来后他也没有逃跑或者反抗。
但是警察立刻就开始使用暴力。

其实你也不要以为这个是个案。

我自己亲眼在温哥华的街头看到加拿大的警察使用类似的手法对付‘疑犯’。我不清楚那些被从背后铐住,脸朝下压在地上的人是不是真的罪大恶极,我猜测也许只是普通的违法或者只是被怀疑。

我曾经只是在路边走,但是被警车上的警察盯住,如果我有进一步什么动作引起他的怀疑呢?也许下一步爬在地上的就是我了。

我听过加拿大警察对2个街上的华人说:Those Two Chinese Guys!
可是他如何能确定他们不是加拿大公民?
为何要强调Chinese?

4个警察对该新移民男子没有任何犹豫的使用暴力,只能说明这是他们的习惯动作!

另外,录像已经很能说明问题,但政府还要说那只是片面之词,还要开脱!

5年来加拿大警察就要电枪杀死过15人!
还有多少被打到嗷嗷惨叫但没有死的?
有多少不是用电枪,而是用手枪直接打死的?
有多少是用警棍打伤,打死的?

这个个案显然是因为被人偷拍了才得以曝光的。
偷拍的那人其实当时也害怕被发现,他的镜头到后来都是歪着拍的。
如果被发现了呢?

.. : 2007-11-16#41
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广州前几日凌晨四点海珠区警察开枪杀死一名男子,该男子是珠江医院的副教授医生。
这个世界哪里都有不幸。

这个案子虽然也是有人被警察杀死,虽然据此也许可以推论警察都是危险的,不论加拿大还是中国。

但是,我必须说:广州的这个人是在凌晨4点多,驾驶一部假牌(军牌)车(还把车牌遮蔽),并且开车要逃逸并用车拖挂警察才导致警察开枪的。
显然性质恶劣。被打死虽然遗憾,但警察有理由相信他有重大犯罪嫌疑并且拒捕,并对警察人身安全构成威胁(汽车是个有威力的工具)。所以,可以说如果打伤不致命最好,但警察并没有大错。

所以,跟加拿大这个案子,还是不同的性质。

.. : 2007-11-16#42
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大家还是抓紧时间学习英语吧

警察暴力的牺牲品中,并非都不懂英语。
不懂英语不是警察杀人的理由。

该案中受害人根本没有任何反抗,不是因为语言的问题。
如果需要沟通,加拿大不是没有懂俄语的人。

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-16#43
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CBC论坛贴出的中国移民的遭遇. 看来真不是个案.. 还有很多其他人的遭遇.

john (Victoria_BC) wrote:


I am a Chinese immigrant who experienced similar
nightmare with the local police. Actually the police
applied unnecessary force to me without giving me a
chance to tell my side of the story. Even after they
found out that I was TOTALLY innocent they refused
to say a sorry to me. To make things worse they lied
about the facts in the incident report with the story
they made up. At first they took advantage of my
unawareness of local culture and law by saying their
action was based on the 911 tape that recorded my
sound, but when I requested to access a copy of the
tape, they claimed that tape was gone due to "
technical problem". In the whole process not only a
single officer lied, it was a system-level corruption.

I used to live in USA where Canadians I met told me
they are "different from cool-blooded Americans" as
Canadians are nicer and honest. I did move to Canada
with admiration for the values of Canadian society.
But at the moment I was greatly bullied by the native
Canadians, I was scared of this great country.

When I became a Canadian citizen, a politician said,
"welcome to the best place in the world, an open,
free and civilized country with fairness and
opportunities". In addition, Canadian government
often arrogantly criticizes other nations for "bad
human rights records", I wonder if they should have
a mirror to check themselves up first".

Nevertheless I still trust most Canadian people are
friendly and open-minded. I am happy to see so many
objective and fair comments on the Polish immigrant's
case here.

I just wonder why there are still many shameless
dishonest people who are trying hard to help hiding
the faults of their government.


Posted November 16, 2007 06:52 AM

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-16#44
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不知道气宇轩昂心中的加拿大是个什么样的加拿大?:wdb23:
至少不会是这个样子的.

平等,自由,博爱.尊重生命等普世价值. 否则与流氓国家有何区别.

treat someone the way you would want to be treated

puma : 2007-11-16#45
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只能说RCMP的素质太差了,最起码的危机处理能力都没有。任何正常人在一个语言不通的陌生地方被困10个小时,没吃没喝的,不抓狂才怪了。这么长时间,机场和警察居然都找不出对策来,真是蠢得可以。真有什么机灵点的恐怖分子,他们有能力对付么?

地球上没天堂,如果光凭想像,觉得加拿大一定更平等,更有安全感,指望别人都特nice的对你,那多半要失望的。

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-16#46
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只能说RCMP的素质太差了,最起码的危机处理能力都没有。任何正常人在一个语言不通的陌生地方被困10个小时,没吃没喝的,不抓狂才怪了。这么长时间,机场和警察居然都找不出对策来,真是蠢得可以。真有什么机灵点的恐怖分子,他们有能力对付么?

地球上没天堂,如果光凭想像,觉得加拿大一定更平等,更有安全感,指望别人都特nice的对你,那多半要失望的。

地球上没有天堂,但我希望能找个离天堂近点的地方..

否则从虎口出来又掉进了狼窝,何必费事.

.. : 2007-11-16#47
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地球上没有天堂,但我希望能找个离天堂近点的地方..

否则从虎口出来又掉进了狼窝,何必费事.

呵呵,其实也许是个误解呢。
中国又何尝真是想像中的虎口?

我认识有老外的朋友,在中国生活过不短的时间,说:
不知道为何中国人老喜欢讲没有自由什么的,在他眼里就没有看到什么不自由的?而且什么东西该有的都有(指物质方面)。

有时候,人是会身在福中不知福的。

lemon25 : 2007-11-17#48
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呵呵,其实也许是个误解呢。
中国又何尝真是想像中的虎口?

我认识有老外的朋友,在中国生活过不短的时间,说:
不知道为何中国人老喜欢讲没有自由什么的,在他眼里就没有看到什么不自由的?而且什么东西该有的都有(指物质方面)。

有时候,人是会身在福中不知福的。
是的,连不该有的东西也都有了,比如说“泔水猪”“纸箱包子”等等,HOHO!

lemon25 : 2007-11-17#49
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之前什么砸电脑之类的事情没看到不好说。
但从录像上看到的,那个男子其实很老实也很平静。
他只是站在那里,警察过来后他也没有逃跑或者反抗。
但是警察立刻就开始使用暴力。

其实你也不要以为这个是个案。

我自己亲眼在温哥华的街头看到加拿大的警察使用类似的手法对付‘疑犯’。我不清楚那些被从背后铐住,脸朝下压在地上的人是不是真的罪大恶极,我猜测也许只是普通的违法或者只是被怀疑。

我曾经只是在路边走,但是被警车上的警察盯住,如果我有进一步什么动作引起他的怀疑呢?也许下一步爬在地上的就是我了。

我听过加拿大警察对2个街上的华人说:Those Two Chinese Guys!
可是他如何能确定他们不是加拿大公民?
为何要强调Chinese?

4个警察对该新移民男子没有任何犹豫的使用暴力,只能说明这是他们的习惯动作!

另外,录像已经很能说明问题,但政府还要说那只是片面之词,还要开脱!

5年来加拿大警察就要电枪杀死过15人!
还有多少被打到嗷嗷惨叫但没有死的?
有多少不是用电枪,而是用手枪直接打死的?
有多少是用警棍打伤,打死的?

这个个案显然是因为被人偷拍了才得以曝光的。
偷拍的那人其实当时也害怕被发现,他的镜头到后来都是歪着拍的。
如果被发现了呢?
所以千万别来加拿大,千万别来!

Hench : 2007-11-17#50
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呵呵,对于警察是不需要太多的争论的,警察在全世界各国都是劣迹斑斑的,在美国这样一个民主国家都发生过多起警察打死人的事件---最有名的就是那起亚特兰大警察晚上打死人但被人偷拍下来的事了。


周润发在一部电影里演警察,电影中他边拍着自己腰间的枪边说了一句名言:“我们警察,就是有执照的流氓”,我觉得讲得非常精辟。


不知道大家还记不记得2002年福州公安局副局长王振忠逃往美国的事件(次年《南方周末》有专版报道此人“事迹”),王振忠目前是被中国公安部在海外通辑的警衔最高的“警察”。此人在中纪委要双规他之前,携小秘逃往美国,走后纪委办案人员在其办公室搜出人民币近三千万元,据传他还转移出境现金约一千万美元。

有一事件可以看出此人“警察”的作风。他的一个兄弟看中了一个旧车交易场生意非常好,要求旧车场老板把交易市场转让给他,这个老板当然不同意。

王振忠的这个兄弟就要求王振忠帮他解决这个事情。

某日清晨,此老板在公司上班时,突然冲出五个荷枪实弹的特警,五支冲锋枪同时从玻璃窗外向此老板一齐发射,此老板身中一百多枪,当场死亡,这五个特警把从黑市哥们那里买来的一支手枪放在这个老板的尸体身上(一万五千元买的一把手枪),开枪的原因说是这个老板要持枪抢劫(据说是要抢王振忠那个兄弟的十万元现金),所以被当场击毙。

当然,周围的人全都不相信这个老板会持枪抢钱,因为他早就是大富翁了,绝不可能去抢区区十万元现金的,大家觉得这个借口也太拙劣了。

事后,王振忠的那个兄弟顺利获得了那个旧车交易市场,他为了“感谢”五名特警对他的“救命之恩”,奖励这五个特警一人一部汽车。

等王振忠出逃后,经纪委、公安部等部门的调查,才知道,这五个特警全是王振忠的小兄弟,开枪是王振忠指使的,五名特警中有一人还曾获得“全国十大杰出特警”称号,王振忠出逃后,这五人全部被判死刑。

大家只是奇怪,王振忠和这几个警察胆子可真大,这样令人发指的事可以轻易做出,不知道他们还有什么事是做不出来的?还有什么事是不敢做的?

王振忠在任时,已私下用化名获得美国绿卡(从邻省办理的护照),出逃后居住美国,中国的领导人对其十分恼火,多次交涉要求引渡此人未果。

今年上半年传闻其得“癌症”死亡。只是熟悉他的福州老百姓都不相信他已经死了,俗话不是说“恶人活千年”吗?

王振忠的故事可以拍一部电影,就叫“警察故事”或“新警察故事”吧。

王振忠手下五个特警杀人事件一出,福州的富豪人人自危,纷纷加入了投资移民的大军,大富想办法去美国,小富也要想办法弄一个香港、澳门或马来西亚护照,还有一名巨富干脆买了一个太平洋岛国的驻华全权大使自己来担任(不得了,那个身份可是有外交豁免权的啊,只有福建人才会出此怪招,他现在已改任该国驻联合国全权大使,当时他向中国国家主席递交国书时,新闻联播一播出,福州人民眼睛都看直了,齐赞此人是高手中的绝世高手!比那些投资移民的富豪水平不知道高了多少倍)----这就是为何福建本来非法出境的人是全国最多的,但2002年后投资移民的人数也变成全国最多的原因了。

当然,从此往后,福建的技术移民也多了不少。

说了这个故事后,想必大家就不会因为加拿大警察打死波兰新移民而动摇了移民的决心吧?

lemon25 : 2007-11-17#51
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所以说:加拿大这破地方,千万别来,千万!!

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-17#52
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中国算不算虎口,每个人有每个人的感受. 甚至你就把它当作一个比喻吧. 但对于象发生在福州公安的事,说是虎口也不过分.因为我就是福建的,虽然在他乡工作,很少回福建.

Hench : 2007-11-17#53
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楼主是福建哪里的?移民进程如何了?有空联络一下可好?

TRANSFORMER : 2007-11-17#54
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无语...................
何处有净土,只存于心中................

.. : 2007-11-17#55
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说了这个故事后,想必大家就不会因为加拿大警察打死波兰新移民而动摇了移民的决心吧?

在我看来,这个案子可以有另一种解读。
中国的警察犯案杀人,结果如何?
连福州市的刑警大队长,中队长都判了死刑。
正义已经伸张,那还能怎样呢?
这已经是对罪犯最大的惩罚了。

至于最大的头,那个福州市公安局长,不是被迫出逃了吗?
美国不给遣送,那是谁的问题?是美国包庇的问题。是美国的错还是中国政府的错?

虽说王出逃没有受到惩罚,但至少他已经丢掉了公安局长这个威风的位子。
逃到美国,估计生活还是要有所低调吧?估计心理还是会有所担心害怕吧?
他能活得安稳吗?不担心哪一天中美关系特好,他要被遣返吗?

所以,一个大局长,为了这么一个案子,能被处理,已经很不错了。
(如果他被抓住,是不是也死刑呢?至少无期以上吧。)
这样的结果,至少就事论事,你对中国的司法,还有什么可以抱怨的?

而加拿大最近发生的这件案子,其实也是草菅人命,故意伤害致死的。只是没有王案那么明显的动机。

让我们拭目以待会有什么处理结果吧。
我个人认为会不了了之。
因为,加拿大政府与司法当局的发言里把那录像带当作一个‘very very little partial evidence'。认为单凭这个无法确定任何事情。
那么,还能有什么证据呢?
我估计这个新移民是白死了,甚至经济赔偿都不一定会有。
他们会说他原来就有什么什么病才死的。
那4个恶警,估计还会继续逍遥。
我敢确定他们使用武器杀人,打人,绝对不是第一次。

加拿大不是一般的黑。
他们庇护了多少中国的贪官,犯罪分子?
如果要讲公正,你觉得这些巨贪在加拿大受欢迎,是不是太恶心了呢?
销赃是不是犯罪?

那么,加拿大政府就是中国罪犯赃物的最大经手人!
恶心,吐!!!

rus : 2007-11-18#56
回复: 新移民在温哥华机场被警察打死. 加拿大还是心中的加拿大吗????

呵呵,对于警察是不需要太多的争论的,警察在全世界各国都是劣迹斑斑的,在美国这样一个民主国家都发生过多起警察打死人的事件---最有名的就是那起亚特兰大警察晚上打死人但被人偷拍下来的事了。


周润发在一部电影里演警察,电影中他边拍着自己腰间的枪边说了一句名言:“我们警察,就是有执照的流氓”,我觉得讲得非常精辟。


不知道大家还记不记得2002年福州公安局副局长王振忠逃往美国的事件(次年《南方周末》有专版报道此人“事迹”),王振忠目前是被中国公安部在海外通辑的警衔最高的“警察”。此人在中纪委要双规他之前,携小秘逃往美国,走后纪委办案人员在其办公室搜出人民币近三千万元,据传他还转移出境现金约一千万美元。

有一事件可以看出此人“警察”的作风。他的一个兄弟看中了一个旧车交易场生意非常好,要求旧车场老板把交易市场转让给他,这个老板当然不同意。

王振忠的这个兄弟就要求王振忠帮他解决这个事情。

某日清晨,此老板在公司上班时,突然冲出五个荷枪实弹的特警,五支冲锋枪同时从玻璃窗外向此老板一齐发射,此老板身中一百多枪,当场死亡,这五个特警把从黑市哥们那里买来的一支手枪放在这个老板的尸体身上(一万五千元买的一把手枪),开枪的原因说是这个老板要持枪抢劫(据说是要抢王振忠那个兄弟的十万元现金),所以被当场击毙。

当然,周围的人全都不相信这个老板会持枪抢钱,因为他早就是大富翁了,绝不可能去抢区区十万元现金的,大家觉得这个借口也太拙劣了。

事后,王振忠的那个兄弟顺利获得了那个旧车交易市场,他为了“感谢”五名特警对他的“救命之恩”,奖励这五个特警一人一部汽车。

等王振忠出逃后,经纪委、公安部等部门的调查,才知道,这五个特警全是王振忠的小兄弟,开枪是王振忠指使的,五名特警中有一人还曾获得“全国十大杰出特警”称号,王振忠出逃后,这五人全部被判死刑。

大家只是奇怪,王振忠和这几个警察胆子可真大,这样令人发指的事可以轻易做出,不知道他们还有什么事是做不出来的?还有什么事是不敢做的?

王振忠在任时,已私下用化名获得美国绿卡(从邻省办理的护照),出逃后居住美国,中国的领导人对其十分恼火,多次交涉要求引渡此人未果。

今年上半年传闻其得“癌症”死亡。只是熟悉他的福州老百姓都不相信他已经死了,俗话不是说“恶人活千年”吗?

王振忠的故事可以拍一部电影,就叫“警察故事”或“新警察故事”吧。

王振忠手下五个特警杀人事件一出,福州的富豪人人自危,纷纷加入了投资移民的大军,大富想办法去美国,小富也要想办法弄一个香港、澳门或马来西亚护照,还有一名巨富干脆买了一个太平洋岛国的驻华全权大使自己来担任(不得了,那个身份可是有外交豁免权的啊,只有福建人才会出此怪招,他现在已改任该国驻联合国全权大使,当时他向中国国家主席递交国书时,新闻联播一播出,福州人民眼睛都看直了,齐赞此人是高手中的绝世高手!比那些投资移民的富豪水平不知道高了多少倍)----这就是为何福建本来非法出境的人是全国最多的,但2002年后投资移民的人数也变成全国最多的原因了。

当然,从此往后,福建的技术移民也多了不少。

说了这个故事后,想必大家就不会因为加拿大警察打死波兰新移民而动摇了移民的决心吧?




老实说,我认为福建湖南等地都是特殊地区,是比较乱的,我觉得江浙比这些地区的治安和警察的文明程度好不止百倍,所以担心这个移民到杭州就够了

气宇轩昂 : 2007-11-18#57
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加拿大庇护再多的中国贪官,根子还在中国,怪不到加拿大.

加拿大为什么不庇护美国的贪官.

wgzyl : 2007-11-18#58
回复: 新移民在温哥华机场被警察打死. 加拿大还是心中的加拿大吗????

CBC论坛贴出的中国移民的遭遇. 看来真不是个案.. 还有很多其他人的遭遇.

john (Victoria_BC) wrote:


I am a Chinese immigrant who experienced similar
nightmare with the local police. Actually the police
applied unnecessary force to me without giving me a
chance to tell my side of the story. Even after they
found out that I was TOTALLY innocent they refused
to say a sorry to me. To make things worse they lied
about the facts in the incident report with the story
they made up. At first they took advantage of my
unawareness of local culture and law by saying their
action was based on the 911 tape that recorded my
sound, but when I requested to access a copy of the
tape, they claimed that tape was gone due to "
technical problem". In the whole process not only a
single officer lied, it was a system-level corruption.

I used to live in USA where Canadians I met told me
they are "different from cool-blooded Americans" as
Canadians are nicer and honest. I did move to Canada
with admiration for the values of Canadian society.
But at the moment I was greatly bullied by the native
Canadians, I was scared of this great country.

When I became a Canadian citizen, a politician said,
"welcome to the best place in the world, an open,
free and civilized country with fairness and
opportunities". In addition, Canadian government
often arrogantly criticizes other nations for "bad
human rights records", I wonder if they should have
a mirror to check themselves up first".

Nevertheless I still trust most Canadian people are
friendly and open-minded. I am happy to see so many
objective and fair comments on the Polish immigrant's
case here.

I just wonder why there are still many shameless
dishonest people who are trying hard to help hiding
the faults of their government.


Posted November 16, 2007 06:52 AM

Maybe the fact that you are a Chinese determined your bad luck.

wgzyl : 2007-11-18#59
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加拿大的“警察”在阿富汗挨了炸弹,死伤6人,报应啊!

yacobi : 2007-11-18#60
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中国最好的警察在杭州,这就不用多说了。
各个国家警察都是素质最低的人,这也不用多说了。

czsurgeon : 2007-11-18#61
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这个有什么好争呢?喜欢中国的回中国,喜欢加拿大的来加拿大,用脚投票啦。

49 人 : 2007-11-18#62
回复: 新移民在温哥华机场被警察打死. 加拿大还是心中的加拿大吗????

呵呵,其实也许是个误解呢。
中国又何尝真是想像中的虎口?

我认识有老外的朋友,在中国生活过不短的时间,说:
不知道为何中国人老喜欢讲没有自由什么的,在他眼里就没有看到什么不自由的?而且什么东西该有的都有(指物质方面)。

有时候,人是会身在福中不知福的。


[FONT=宋体]在中国,外国人的待遇比中国人高,而且还不是一点点。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]在中国,只要涉外。。。什么都不一样了。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]这个你都不知道吗?[/FONT]

wolfyzj : 2007-11-19#63
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加拿大的“警察”在阿富汗挨了炸弹,死伤6人,报应啊!
FUNNY!

yacobi : 2007-11-19#64
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[FONT=宋体]在中国,外国人的待遇比中国人高,而且还不是一点点。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]在中国,只要涉外。。。什么都不一样了。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]这个你都不知道吗?[/FONT]

说得好!崇洋媚外其实不是老百姓的事情,看看满清末年制台见洋大人的事情就知道了。

popiston : 2008-12-13#65
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[FONT=宋体]在中国,外国人的待遇比中国人高,而且还不是一点点。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]在中国,只要涉外。。。什么都不一样了。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]这个你都不知道吗?[/FONT]
那个老外活动还太少。外国记者就能发现很多地方他们去不了。美籍华人记者比较有优势。

zgsccd : 2008-12-14#66
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@西风@ : 2008-12-15#67
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昨天开车的时候听到电台里又提这事了,赶上个尾巴,没听见怎么了。死者的妈妈说了什么什么,谁听见这段了?

beautylisa : 2008-12-16#68
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有什么进展吗?


愿天下(加拿大)和谐平安.

summerrain : 2008-12-16#69
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:wdb1:
就这水平,趁早回家抱孩子去!

ZL.

taotao : 2008-12-17#70
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一个字.撤!