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温哥华:高中学历老外的家

原文链接:https://forum.iask.ca/threads/220790/

baohuai : 2008-12-28#1
我的邻居雷蒙德,今年41岁,祖先有瑞典、挪威、爱尔兰血统,本人出生在大温哥华的素立,在我们公寓楼附近的一家超市里担任收银员,生活简单,为人纯朴,据了解他高中都没有读完就辍学打工,在高等教育非常普及的加拿大应当算是半个文盲了。但是就是这个高中毕业生,为人很礼貌,谈吐很谦和,还有很多高雅的嗜好,比如养花种草、搜集艺术品、驯练宠物等等。

应邀去过他家几次,令我刮目相看。一个高中文化的加拿大人,家里竟然还很有艺术情调,而且一尘不染,比我在国内的大多数的大学老师、中学老师家里还有文化氛围。他的家的洁净和美观在加拿大不是极个别现象,而是很普遍的现象。当然他家不能和我的北京的家相比,但是我的受教育水平远远在他之上,我们之间不具备可比性。如果将他和国内高中文化的老百姓相比,就马上反映出差距来了。

lisa(sz) : 2008-12-28#2
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老外和中国人一样的,中国人中也不乏高中未毕业,但勤奋工作,爱好广泛,加重一尘不染的人。虽然文化、人种不同,但是其他是一样的。

qi1633 : 2008-12-28#3
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一个人的综合素质和他的生活和成长环境有一定的关系!

milestone : 2008-12-28#4
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如果和中国一样了,你还来什么加拿大啊。人家是全民素质高。咱们,学历高,素质未必高。好多研究生毕业的人都是从农村走出来的。能有什么爱好?

bcgk : 2008-12-28#5
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人受得教育程度和人的教养、素质、道德水准毫无关系。过去中国老百姓家里大多数都是清贫如洗,虽然家里没有什么东西,但家长都要求把家里收拾的干干净净,一尘不染。记得我小的时候每天都要弯腰撅屁股,拿个小扫把,把家里砖砌的地面扫得干干净净。虽然父母没什么文化,但那是几千年的传统。干净、整洁、规规、据据。

baohuai : 2008-12-28#6
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他的客厅简洁但是温馨,沙发上悬挂的是他从唐人街淘来的国画,沙发前的搁脚板凳其实是个狗窝,一举两得,设计很巧妙。

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#7
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和大多数西人的家里一样,他们多用台灯照明,不使用吸顶灯,更看不见光秃秃的日光灯管或灯泡。雷蒙德的客厅里有四五个台灯分布在每个角落照明,灯光柔和、温馨,令人面容也看上去楚楚动人、温和可亲。但是沿北京三四环开车兜一圈,你会发现中国人家里仍然大量使用吸顶灯照明,仍然有大多数居民仍然使用光秃秃的灯管或节能灯灯泡。

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#8
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雷蒙德从小爱养花种草,这里的老外们家里养花种草很是司空见惯。雷蒙德具有园艺天赋,可谓无师自通,养什么什么长得好,而我在北京养个仙人掌都养不活。我惊讶的是,老外家里的花盆都很干净,所以看上去赏心悦目,而国内不少老百姓养花种草的花盆一般都脏兮兮的,不会想到去清洁一下花盆的,花儿再漂亮,但是花盆泥泞不堪、缺棱少角,势必大煞风景。

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#9
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我还惊讶的是一个高中文化的人,家里竟然还有个古董柜,搜集了各国的工艺品,当然有一格专门是中国工艺品,包括我送给他的小礼物。他的电脑桌也很整洁,一台液晶屏幕电脑,一个摆满世界名曲的CD架子,看上去怎么也难以让人置信这是一个高中文化的人的家。

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#10
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我还惊奇我在这里见过很多老外的卧室,都极其整洁,床铺收拾得如此利落。这里不少白人男人的整洁利落足以令国内的很多女同胞,尤其是女大学生汗颜。我在国内有很多女性朋友卧室非常邋遢,简直不像女人的闺房,有妇之夫也不会收拾操持家。雷蒙德虽为堂堂七尺汉,但是卧室如此整洁,他的床罩也很有特点,宽大厚重,上面绣着一只巨大的鹰,颇具装饰性。而茶几上、五斗橱上都看不见乱堆放的杂物,足见此人很会收拾房间。

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#11
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雷蒙德的厨房更让我叫绝,他的家俱都不是什么高档的,有的就是几十元从旧货店淘来的,但是人家收拾摆设得就是很舒服。我的印象是,西人普遍注重厨房、卫生间的洁净和美观,他们一是爱装饰厨房、卫生间,瓷器都很会摆放,犹如商店里的货柜;二就是经常刷洗,厨灶不见油垢,马桶不见便垢。

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#12
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雷蒙德的卫生间一样一尘不染,还很注重细微处的装饰。看看这些摆放整齐的香水瓶和小工艺品,可见主人是个有情趣、有秩序、注重生活品味之人。

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#13
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国内有很多老百姓家里的卫生间都不是特别干净,而且喜欢将卫生间当作储藏室――拖把、水桶、洗脸盆、洗脚盆、塑料水管、洗衣用品等等全部堆在卫生间里,地面也不彻底刷洗。但是我去过绝大多数老外家,卫生间都一尘不染,洗手池、抽水马桶几乎看不到一点污垢,地面甚至没有一根头发或一滴水,也不见地漏,卫生间喜欢点香烛、熏香来改善空气,总能见到一堆叠放整齐得干净擦手巾和浴巾。

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#14
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摆放整齐的圣诞贺卡,古色古香的罗马柱,造型简洁明快的台灯,现代风格的茶几,没有一样是普通百姓高不可攀的奢侈家居用品,但是很有一些雅致的情调。

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#15
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从客厅这温馨的一角一眼可以望见洁白的卫生间。四眼望去,这个简单的廉价公寓里,让人心旷神怡,流连忘返。在温哥华的国内朋友也都啧啧赞赏,西人的确比华人更重视居家生活的情调。不管你承认也罢,不承认也罢,同样的客厅、卧室、厨房、卫生间,同样的社区中心、办公室、教室,西人的总是比华人的干净漂亮。我们不由得想探究文化深层的原因,多数人认为,归根结底在于两种文化下的社会教育侧重点不一样。欧美自第一次工业革命开始,重视科学文化普及和公民素质教育,包括能够陶冶少年儿童美学修养的音乐、绘画、戏剧、手工劳动等等;落后的沙俄向来崇欧,当年彼得大帝微服私访,照搬欧洲制度,学习欧洲科学、艺术,为沙俄的扩张和崛起奠定了基础;日本明治维新,全面西化,再加上日韩都继承儒家文化思想,尊师重教、崇尚礼义,国民素质上升到世界前列,弹丸之地竟然涌现众多国际顶尖企业,而如今中国人的基础教育侧重于应试教育和意识形态、政治思想灌输,对于基本素质,如道德培养、能力培养和美学素养的培养不是很重视,对于教育基础设施、师资建设的投入远远不够。我国中小学的美术课、音乐课、体育课仍然是点缀,美术课仍然是简单素描、水彩画走过场,音乐课仍大多使用简谱教学,仍然使用手风琴和风琴,仍然没有古典音乐和国粹艺术的普及教育,体育课则课时过少,而且设施设备陈旧落后,管理不人性化。

还有很多中国朋友分析说,洋人文化传承好,从小在父母影响下长大,耳濡目染,长大自然也继承了前辈的优点,近现代以来的中国人一小便在狭小、恶劣的生存环境中挣扎、生存,哪里还能估计厨房、卫生间的美观漂亮?

本文图文仅供参考,如果有哪些读者看到会不愉快,则敬请见谅。在这里我只是想摆出一些国外生活常见的文化差异,激励我们多多反思我们自己的民族的特性。

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octor : 2008-12-28#16
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看照片是非常的普通呀。。。窝去的这里人家都比这个好多得多呀。。。那种装饰柜是这里人家几乎家家必有的,只是样式有区别而已。。。
不知屋主家有小孩子没有。如果有小孩子,而且不止一个的话,你再去他家看看好了。。。到处都是玩具,孩子的衣服,用具。。。呵呵。。。

baohuai : 2008-12-28#17
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看照片是非常的普通呀。。。窝去的这里人家都比这个好多得多呀。。。那种装饰柜是这里人家几乎家家必有的,只是样式有区别而已。。。
不知屋主家有小孩子没有。如果有小孩子,而且不止一个的话,你再去他家看看好了。。。到处都是玩具,孩子的衣服,用具。。。呵呵。。。

这可是一个高中都没有毕业的、普通老百姓、贫下中农的家。

Shireen : 2008-12-28#18
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其实人是否爱干净跟学历的关系不是很大。在中国也是如此呢。

milestone : 2008-12-28#19
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怪不得,这里华人女性愿意找洋人。

baohuai : 2008-12-28#20
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其实人是否爱干净跟学历的关系不是很大。在中国也是如此呢。

您没有领会本文原意,原文不单是说干净,还有整洁、漂亮,懂得装饰,中国老百姓和非洲土著人可能都会把家里保持干净,但是不一定会想到去装饰厨房和厕所。

baohuai : 2008-12-28#21
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其实人是否爱干净跟学历的关系不是很大。在中国也是如此呢。

跟学历关系不大,但是问题是:
国内高中辍学的,有几个能把家布置收拾成这样?
不承认差距,等于是掩耳盗铃呀

octor : 2008-12-28#22
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这可是一个高中都没有毕业的、普通老百姓、贫下中农的家。
这个有什么新鲜的。。。
窝去的一个人家就是一辈子开货车的,房子40多年了,老夫妇60岁左右吧,老先生还在工作呢,孩子大了,都走了,家里也是很漂亮,老太太从来没有工作过,很会弄理家的。不过窝没有在别人家拍照片的习惯,嘿嘿。。。
总之,这里的人家,凡是窝去过的,感觉是有小孩子的人家就比较乱,孩子越多越乱。没有孩子,或孩子比较大的人家就很整洁。。。即使房子好几千尺的也是这样。。。当然,家里有帮佣的除外。。。
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baohuai : 2008-12-28#23
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这个有什么新鲜的。。。
窝去的一个人家就是一辈子开货车的,房子40多年了,老夫妇60岁左右吧,老先生还在工作呢,孩子大了,都走了,家里也是很漂亮,老太太从来没有工作过,很会弄理家的。不过窝没有在别人家拍照片的习惯,嘿嘿。。。
总之,这里的人家,凡是窝去过的,感觉是有小孩子的人家就比较乱,孩子越多越乱。没有孩子,或孩子比较大的人家就很整洁。。。即使房子好几千尺的也是这样。。。当然,家里有帮佣的除外。。。
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开货车的家里也漂亮,怎么样,对方同学证明了本方观点,谢谢

ziron : 2008-12-28#24
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我的邻居雷蒙德,今年41岁,祖先有瑞典、挪威、爱尔兰血统,本人出生在大温哥华的素立,在我们公寓楼附近的一家超市里担任收银员,生活简单,为人纯朴,据了解他高中都没有读完就辍学打工,在高等教育非常普及的加拿大应当算是半个文盲了。但是就是这个高中毕业生,为人很礼貌,谈吐很谦和,还有很多高雅的嗜好,比如养花种草、搜集艺术品、驯练宠物等等。

应邀去过他家几次,令我刮目相看。一个高中文化的加拿大人,家里竟然还很有艺术情调,而且一尘不染,比我在国内的大多数的大学老师、中学老师家里还有文化氛围。他的家的洁净和美观在加拿大不是极个别现象,而是很普遍的现象。当然他家不能和我的北京的家相比,但是我的受教育水平远远在他之上,我们之间不具备可比性。如果将他和国内高中文化的老百姓相比,就马上反映出差距来了。

我对您称赞他家干净整齐没什么意见,但是对您对比的这种说话语气有些反感。
1、他在加拿大没上完高中就算半个文盲?移民到这里,母语不是英语的基本都是文盲。您不需要和他比层次,比语言比文化背景就知道差别了。
2、没有高学历的人不配拥有养花种草收拾庭院的精神修养?初中没毕业的大伯大妈爷爷奶奶们去交流一个养花种草收藏古董和养宠物的经验,您会有更大的提高。
3、国内有高学历的人也收拾不出这样的房子?人以群分,物以类聚,您在国内没见过这样的,说明您所处的圈子的问题。
4、国内没有高学历的更加没有这种精神层次和动手能力?您要是看到过一无所有的乡村小学生给他们老师做的冰花、收拾的房间就知道什么是贫瘠的土地上的艺术修养了。
5、这样的人在加拿大有很多,而你在国内鲜少见到。所以推导出加拿大的‘贫下中农’也比国内一般的家庭有更完美的艺术修养和精神境界乃至动手能力?您知道以前所说到本世纪中叶追上发达国家的生活水平是什么意思吧。

我知道我语气很过份,但是这样的比较也很过份。您要表扬他,又要表现出您不是和他一个层次的,踩着他表扬他。更要通过踩着他表扬他再踩到大洋彼岸的贫下中农头上去。我有点愤怒。

bcgk : 2008-12-28#25
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俺也是不明白,家跟学历有嘛关系?而且只用一个个例,从统计学上来讲。。。。
LZ的主要目的就是要,褒一方,贬一方呗,用心良苦。

octor : 2008-12-28#26
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俺也是不明白,家跟学历有嘛关系?而且只用一个个例,从统计学上来讲。。。。
LZ的主要目的就是要,褒一方,贬一方呗,用心良苦。
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而且不知屋主是否愿意他拍照,还弄到网站上?
窝们看房子的时候,都是不允许随便拍照的,要realtor同意才可以。是要卖的房子哦。。。

octor : 2008-12-28#27
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开货车的家里也漂亮,怎么样,对方同学证明了本方观点,谢谢
真够牵强的。。。
窝只是给你一个同等的例子而已。。。

bullnew : 2008-12-28#28
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不知楼主在国内去过几个高中没有毕业的家?也不知楼主去过几个高中没有毕业老外的家?我怎么感觉楼主你这样比较法像是验证中国的老话:“欲加之罪,何患无辞?”

小雷音 : 2008-12-28#29
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我对您称赞他家干净整齐没什么意见,但是对您对比的这种说话语气有些反感。
1、他在加拿大没上完高中就算半个文盲?移民到这里,母语不是英语的基本都是文盲。您不需要和他比层次,比语言比文化背景就知道差别了。
2、没有高学历的人不配拥有养花种草收拾庭院的精神修养?初中没毕业的大伯大妈爷爷奶奶们去交流一个养花种草收藏古董和养宠物的经验,您会有更大的提高。
3、国内有高学历的人也收拾不出这样的房子?人以群分,物以类聚,您在国内没见过这样的,说明您所处的圈子的问题。
4、国内没有高学历的更加没有这种精神层次和动手能力?您要是看到过一无所有的乡村小学生给他们老师做的冰花、收拾的房间就知道什么是贫瘠的土地上的艺术修养了。
5、这样的人在加拿大有很多,而你在国内鲜少见到。所以推导出加拿大的‘贫下中农’也比国内一般的家庭有更完美的艺术修养和精神境界乃至动手能力?您知道以前所说到本世纪中叶追上发达国家的生活水平是什么意思吧。

我知道我语气很过份,但是这样的比较也很过份。您要表扬他,又要表现出您不是和他一个层次的,踩着他表扬他。更要通过踩着他表扬他再踩到大洋彼岸的贫下中农头上去。我有点愤怒。
说得太好了!支持!

susan_lsr : 2008-12-28#30
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严重同意,学历和修养和情趣没有比例关系,有闲才有情趣

小雷音 : 2008-12-28#31
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:wdb10:
而且不知屋主是否愿意他拍照,还弄到网站上?
窝们看房子的时候,都是不允许随便拍照的,要realtor同意才可以。是要卖的房子哦。。。
这正是楼主要说明的,教养就是比人家差,将别人房内摆设弄到网上。

小雷音 : 2008-12-28#32
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老赖最多也就小学毕业吧,家里肯定比他漂亮。

高老庄猪八戒 : 2008-12-28#33
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真是糟蹋“艺术情调”这四个字

baohuai : 2008-12-28#34
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相对于西方人,华人普遍不注重卫生间的装饰或整洁。有的人家里可能很干净,但是卫生间几乎成了储藏室,对卫生间的美化意识不够――即便是图片中显示的供出租的北京某“高档社区”的“高级”公寓。

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#35
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即便是在北京、上海、深圳,有经济实力买高档商品房的人毕竟不是多数人。大多数人还居住在丑陋、恶劣的普通居民楼里,厨厕更是不堪入目。

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#36
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越来越多的中国家庭都拥有了整体厨房,但是很少有把厨房收拾、装点洁净漂亮的意识。下图是较为典型的中国家庭厨房。

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#37
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再者,一般来说,华人不注重共同维护公共区间的整洁和美观,比如楼道、街巷等等,这是我们的文化的一个特点。

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#38
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百姓的居民街巷

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#39
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最后再来温习一下温哥华一位高中辍学、在超市里担任收银员的普通白人男子的厨厕――

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baohuai : 2008-12-28#40
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重申:

本文图文仅供参考,如果有哪些读者看到会不愉快,则敬请见谅。在这里我只是想摆出一些国外生活常见的文化差异,激励我们多多反思我们自己的民族的特性。

dr_bai : 2008-12-28#41
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我想LZ要表达的是两种文化下,人们对生活的态度和生存方式的不同展示。并没有诋毁自我的意思。其实这些还是和身边大环境有关的。这也是我们选择来到这里的原因之一。

carolhome : 2008-12-28#42
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这个家真的是干净整齐~~

迷途羔羊 : 2008-12-28#43
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楼主只是表达一下他看到的东西。可是为什么有这么多人来扔砖头呢?而且砖头的水准。。。。不提也罢。
那些说楼主素质差的人,也许更应该想想自己吧?又莫不成是被踩到了?中国先贤说有则改之无则加勉,我看我们真的要好好体味这八个字了。

从头再来 : 2008-12-28#44
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应邀去过他家几次,令我刮目相看。一个高中文化的加拿大人,家里竟然还很有艺术情调,而且一尘不染,比我在国内的大多数的大学老师、中学老师家里还有文化氛围。他的家的洁净和美观在加拿大不是极个别现象,而是很普遍的现象。当然他家不能和我的北京的家相比,但是我的受教育水平远远在他之上,我们之间不具备可比性。如果将他和国内高中文化的老百姓相比,就马上反映出差距来了。
您这是夸人,还是自夸?
学历和修养,成正比? 陈世美学历不低吧?
国内普通老百姓就都没修养?:wdb2:

Encore une fois : 2008-12-28#45
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洋人确实更注重干净,这个家挺好的,就是有点挤

lvwen : 2008-12-28#46
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支持楼主!并反省一下自己,差距确实存在,虽然现在住的房子和这个老外差不多,但真的整洁程度差远了,开始努力!

km2007 : 2008-12-28#47
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我对您称赞他家干净整齐没什么意见,但是对您对比的这种说话语气有些反感。
1、他在加拿大没上完高中就算半个文盲?移民到这里,母语不是英语的基本都是文盲。您不需要和他比层次,比语言比文化背景就知道差别了。
2、没有高学历的人不配拥有养花种草收拾庭院的精神修养?初中没毕业的大伯大妈爷爷奶奶们去交流一个养花种草收藏古董和养宠物的经验,您会有更大的提高。
3、国内有高学历的人也收拾不出这样的房子?人以群分,物以类聚,您在国内没见过这样的,说明您所处的圈子的问题。
4、国内没有高学历的更加没有这种精神层次和动手能力?您要是看到过一无所有的乡村小学生给他们老师做的冰花、收拾的房间就知道什么是贫瘠的土地上的艺术修养了。
5、这样的人在加拿大有很多,而你在国内鲜少见到。所以推导出加拿大的‘贫下中农’也比国内一般的家庭有更完美的艺术修养和精神境界乃至动手能力?您知道以前所说到本世纪中叶追上发达国家的生活水平是什么意思吧。

我知道我语气很过份,但是这样的比较也很过份。您要表扬他,又要表现出您不是和他一个层次的,踩着他表扬他。更要通过踩着他表扬他再踩到大洋彼岸的贫下中农头上去。我有点愤怒。
赞同

enrry : 2008-12-28#48
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中国男人什么时候才能变得爱收拾房间呀。

baohuai : 2008-12-28#49
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这是俺家,不亚于老外,但是俺家在中国人中不具有代表性。

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外星人 : 2008-12-28#50
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老外家里塞满了东西,,没几个老外有理财思维的、、

紫睫 : 2008-12-29#51
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受教育程度是一方面, 人的素质、修养是另一方面,有些受教育程度高的人,修养并不一定好。特别是在中国,过去的教育以知识教育、应试教育为主,直到近年来才开始向素质教育转型。

记得看书上说过,要培养一个真正的贵族,需要经过八代人的传承,有一定的道理。家庭教育、社会氛围,也是很重要的一部分。

我的, : 2008-12-29#52
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我对您称赞他家干净整齐没什么意见,但是对您对比的这种说话语气有些反感。
1、他在加拿大没上完高中就算半个文盲?移民到这里,母语不是英语的基本都是文盲。您不需要和他比层次,比语言比文化背景就知道差别了。
2、没有高学历的人不配拥有养花种草收拾庭院的精神修养?初中没毕业的大伯大妈爷爷奶奶们去交流一个养花种草收藏古董和养宠物的经验,您会有更大的提高。
3、国内有高学历的人也收拾不出这样的房子?人以群分,物以类聚,您在国内没见过这样的,说明您所处的圈子的问题。
4、国内没有高学历的更加没有这种精神层次和动手能力?您要是看到过一无所有的乡村小学生给他们老师做的冰花、收拾的房间就知道什么是贫瘠的土地上的艺术修养了。
5、这样的人在加拿大有很多,而你在国内鲜少见到。所以推导出加拿大的‘贫下中农’也比国内一般的家庭有更完美的艺术修养和精神境界乃至动手能力?您知道以前所说到本世纪中叶追上发达国家的生活水平是什么意思吧。

我知道我语气很过份,但是这样的比较也很过份。您要表扬他,又要表现出您不是和他一个层次的,踩着他表扬他。更要通过踩着他表扬他再踩到大洋彼岸的贫下中农头上去。我有点愤怒。



回复得很有说服力,呵呵.

baohuai : 2008-12-29#53
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承认差距是很痛苦的事情,我们谁都不愿意自己的民族不如人,都愿意自己的民族真正屹立于世界民族之林。。。

但是遗憾的是,意识到这一点的人不是多数。

donny66210 : 2008-12-29#54
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俺同意楼主的观点。是好的东西,就应该虚心学习。

baohuai : 2008-12-29#55
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俺同意楼主的观点。是好的东西,就应该虚心学习。

好!中华民族还是有希望的!!

李大嘴 : 2008-12-29#56
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越来越多的中国家庭都拥有了整体厨房,但是很少有把厨房收拾、装点洁净漂亮的意识。下图是较为典型的中国家庭厨房。
2015923783202108342.jpg
这是我家厨房(国内),房子就是一般的商品房(咱也买不起所谓的高尚社区),但我感觉收拾的也不必外国高中毕业生差。窗台上的柿子是我老爸的最爱,呵~!
我老爸老妈赶上文革,没啥书好念,所谓的老三届。所以我感觉个人爱好或品味和学历、文凭没啥关系。而且我家也算是很普通很普通的中国家庭,据有可比性。

baohuai : 2008-12-29#57
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浏览附件99970
这是我家厨房(国内),房子就是一般的商品房(咱也买不起所谓的高尚社区),但我感觉收拾的也不必外国高中毕业生差。窗台上的柿子是我老爸的最爱,呵~!
我老爸老妈赶上文革,没啥书好念,所谓的老三届。所以我感觉个人爱好或品味和学历、文凭没啥关系。而且我家也算是很普通很普通的中国家庭,据有可比性。

不错!
但是,您家的厨房在北京可以算是一流的,但是在温哥华则很普遍!

李大嘴 : 2008-12-29#58
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不错!
但是,您家的厨房在北京可以算是一流的,但是在温哥华则很普遍!
对啊,我家这就是普通北京居民的普通厨房,不和温哥华的比,只是说明国内居民也不是总把厨房当仓库,咱国人的水平也逐渐上来了。

julius87 : 2008-12-29#59
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Hi!
老外好的一面我们一定要学习!但是各人行为习惯不能和学历简单挂钩。
请看真实版,这是一个在中国没有高学历,在加拿大是标准文盲的普通家庭妇女(乐颠颠老妈)家的卫生间。
http://forum.iask.ca/showthread.php?t=55856&page=118/第2343楼。

Aim : 2008-12-29#60
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比较了一下,发现俺们家其实也蛮漂亮的

baohuai : 2008-12-29#61
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Hi!
老外好的一面我们一定要学习!但是各人行为习惯不能和学历简单挂钩。
请看真实版,这是一个在中国没有高学历,在加拿大是标准文盲的普通家庭妇女(乐颠颠老妈)家的卫生间。
http://forum.iask.ca/showthread.php?t=55856&page=118/第2343楼。

装修公司是谁?

popiston : 2008-12-29#62
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看了太惭愧了。
我也很喜欢这样的环境。
我见过老外家用台灯的,可是很多灯不是太浪费电了吗?

baohuai : 2008-12-29#63
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看了太惭愧了。
我也很喜欢这样的环境。
我见过老外家用台灯的,可是很多灯不是太浪费电了吗?

有点,但是电灯用电量很小

baohuai : 2008-12-29#64
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中国女大学生宿舍

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baohuai : 2008-12-29#65
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加拿大男大学生将仓库改造成的宿舍

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kevin20000 : 2008-12-29#66
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浏览附件99970
这是我家厨房(国内),房子就是一般的商品房(咱也买不起所谓的高尚社区),但我感觉收拾的也不必外国高中毕业生差。窗台上的柿子是我老爸的最爱,呵~!
我老爸老妈赶上文革,没啥书好念,所谓的老三届。所以我感觉个人爱好或品味和学历、文凭没啥关系。而且我家也算是很普通很普通的中国家庭,据有可比性。
你家的抽油烟机是否叫做“爱老虎油”?:wdb6:

kevin20000 : 2008-12-29#67
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中国女大学生宿舍
某些女生的房间实在让人感觉震惊。让人不禁想起了那一句老话:鸡窝里飞出金凤凰:wdb1::wdb4:

yuxia727 : 2008-12-29#68
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某些女生的房间实在让人感觉震惊。让人不禁想起了那一句老话:鸡窝里飞出金凤凰:wdb1::wdb4:
哈哈哈哈,你真幽默!

baohuai : 2008-12-29#69
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中国大学生宿舍一般什么样,我们都清楚,因为我们都经历过。加拿大学生的宿舍我也经历过,也很清楚都是什么样子。

我提议将以上两照片提交给胡锦涛、温家宝和中国教育部部长,中国的基础教育实在失败,不彻底改革不行了。

等待枫叶 : 2008-12-29#70
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素质跟学历没有必然的联系

wolfyzj : 2008-12-29#71
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满清毒瘤没有来到中国以前,中国人都很爱干净。明朝时候的百姓家中也是非常讲究的,用青砖铺的地是一尘不染,装饰一样很精美,可惜被一群留辫子的野兽糟蹋了。

xunmike : 2008-12-29#72
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楼主也是好意!

差距确实存在。

买房子时看过很多家。大部分老外家比较有味道。大部分中国人住过的家,不敢恭维。

租的Building里也是相同景象。。尤更胜。。租的不当自己家。。

所以,告诉自己更要学习。。借鉴。。

同勉。。

baohuai : 2008-12-29#73
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楼主也是好意!

差距确实存在。

买房子时看过很多家。大部分老外家比较有味道。大部分中国人住过的家,不敢恭维。

租的Building里也是相同景象。。尤更胜。。租的不当自己家。。

所以,告诉自己更要学习。。借鉴。。

同勉。。

诚实,是一种美德。

milestone : 2008-12-29#74
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该向人家学习的地方,就要虚心点。别没事儿老跟楼主抬杠,有些人,先看懂人家帖子再发言。

jessicarongrong : 2008-12-29#75
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这是俺家,不亚于老外,但是俺家在中国人中不具有代表性。


您家可真够。。。眼花缭乱的看的我。。。

xunmike : 2008-12-29#76
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另外,好像老外都是自己成家前,那个不讲究。(好像对公共卫生特别相信)。自己的屋也是不堪入目我们英语老师就说她儿子屋进不去脚。。(有个节目,帮人装潢家,里面的比你想的还要差,是成人的,那个。。。但是少数)
再去学校看,那个书包衣服地上乱放。。倒是说明加拿大就是公共卫生干净。。

但有了自己的小窝后就好点。。自己负责就好点。。

baohuai : 2008-12-29#77
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浏览附件99970
这是我家厨房(国内),房子就是一般的商品房(咱也买不起所谓的高尚社区),但我感觉收拾的也不必外国高中毕业生差。窗台上的柿子是我老爸的最爱,呵~!
我老爸老妈赶上文革,没啥书好念,所谓的老三届。所以我感觉个人爱好或品味和学历、文凭没啥关系。而且我家也算是很普通很普通的中国家庭,据有可比性。

这张图片只能说明家里花了钱,装修了,其他不能说明什么问题。

外星人 : 2008-12-29#78
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一句话就是 “ 老婆是别人的好,孩子是自己的好 ” ;;; 自己住着舒服最重要、、、

baohuai : 2008-12-29#79
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美国女博士回复:

Kenny has a very nice apartment by my standards. It is a pleasure to observe how clean it is. I confess that my own apartment at present is filthy. That is partly because I am preparing to move to a new one this weekend. And it is partly a mess because we have had too many people and too many things crowded into too small a space for too long. My roommates are not as neat as Kenny, but in truth it takes a great deal of labor to get this place looking clean.

Did anybody edit that at all for you? It has crossed that final degree to native speaker quality. In truth, it is really quite rare that anyone whose mother tongue is Chinese can do that without growing up speaking the language. You do have a gift for language.

Sounds like you're doing well in Canada. I'm glad you've found some things you appreciate about the place. Canada seems nice in many ways, though I've never been there.

There are still some old haphazardly put-together structures where old people live that are not clean and neat here. Years ago there were many of them, and many were occupied by soldiers who came over with Chiang Kaishek. These places were dark caves with corrugated iron roofs that looked built without a plan. One neighborhood like that was torn down years ago and replaced iwth a very large park, Da An Park. It's Taipei's version of Central Park. It really is pretty big and does offer some relief from the city, but it's still an urban park and you can hear the traffic on all sides.

There are a few other neighborhoods where people clearly built their own houses, with narrow pathways running between homes on a mountain side. Everything seems to be irregular shapes and sizes. These places are often a bit damp. There is sometimes something charming about the cockeyed way things are laid out. People saved one neighborhood like that called Treasure Hill from destruction - a bunch of artists started camping out there and refused to leave. It became an artists community and eventually I think they got government support, so now people are given those spaces to use as studios.

There are a few places here and there where you can still see the old style of store front, from the days when most people lived in the same building as their store. Some of those places are pretty interested, packed up to the cieling with odds and ends that the elderly people inside think will be useful. There's barely any room for the people, sometimes. Things are stacked so high that it is like walking through a tunnel or maze to get into their space. They sit in chairs watching the street. Places like these are fairly exceptional.

Public bathrooms here are not always clean. Women have that nasty habit of neither sitting on the toilet seat nor lifting it up, so they sprinkle pee all over. You can tell a higher class establishment because you won't see this in the bathroom. It's not clear to me that buildings here have heat. It doesn't get very cold in Taiwan for long, so people just stick it out. A cold day here is a rainy 15 degrees celcius.

Taipei is much much cleaner than it was 15 or 20 years ago. They have made getting rid of garbage terribly inconvenient - you have to listen for an electronic song broadcast by the garbage truck (usually Beethoven's Fur Elise) and then run down to meet the truck at a fixed point in time every day. In other words, people no longer leave piles of garbage bags on a street corner stinking in the hot sun waiting for a garbage truck to come by, with dogs and cats picking at it. The air pollution, while bad, is much better than years ago, as is the traffic. Partly that's due to the nice clean bright subway they built. Unlike New York, the subway is cleaner than the street level of the city. You will find the New York subway shocking perhaps, as it is dilapidated and dirty by Asian standards. The city of New York has not prioritized public transportation in its city planning for many decades and the result is clear.

Many people seem to live in fairly clean apartments here. I have seen many apartments that appear to have been renovated inside at some point. I don't always like people's taste, but even twenty years ago I found the standard of living acceptable. Men here chew binglang. It's a big business. But unlike one slum district in Hong Kong I have been to where there are red streaks of binglang juice marking the walls in stairwells, I don't see that here. I don't know where the working class people spit their binglang juice, but I don't see it all over the street or anything. It seems to be a working class thing.

Another sign of just how much things have changed here in 20 years is the condition of animals. Before, you used to see a lot of mangy strays living off garbage. They were afraid of people and didn't have enough hair. Now you hardly see strays any more. But you do see people walking around with little designer dogs in baby carriages dressed up in clothing. It's so silly. It's absolutely absurd that people think furred animals have to wear clothing in winter here. There are an awful lot of larger dogs patiently tolerating t-shirts or sweaters as if this is a normal thing. I guess it is emotionally satisfying to the people. At the same time, there are now quite a few of animal rescue associations that pick up stray animals, neuter them, and find homes for them. This remains necessary because other people continue to dump their pets when they become inconvenient to care for. There is some old notion that if you dump the animal in the countryside it will be able to survive on its own. People dump very old animals that nobody except a very, very kind person wants to adopt. But the fact that there are people who are deeply concerned about the condition of pet animals is probably a good sign in terms of the standard of living of people. Years ago you also used to see more live animals being killed in the markets and rather gory butcher stands. Those seem less common. Rather sterile, brightly lit supermarkets selling prepackaged food have become more common, although they are not always quite as clean as their American counterparts would be. Outdoor markets used to stink here. Now they don't really seem to stink - people don't leave vegetable or other garbage around.

That's the material infrastructure. As for public access to institutions, that's hard for me to gauge. I'm not in the public school system. It seems to me that university campuses make everything available to their students that they can. It doesn't seem too hard to get access to a library. The most amazing thing to me is the healthcare system. I have never had such free access to high quality healthcare before. It is so inexpensive. Everyone is covered - there are almost no people without insurance like in the US. Unlike the privatized US system which is fragmented, inconsistent and has much higher adminstrative costs, there is only one level of insurance here. It covers a great deal and gives people free choice of any doctor they want to see. You can see a traditional doctor or a western one. You don't have to wait a long time for appointments -- it's quite efficient. The quality of care in large hospitals seems pretty good. I am grateful all the time for the kind of medical care I can get here. It's really too bad that there's almost no possibility of the US getting rid of its private insurance system to adopt the more economical Taiwan style single payer system. Canada also has a single payer system. I'm not sure if it's as efficient as Taiwan's or not.

Another thing that changed radically here is politics. People make constant use of their right to free speech on the radio and in the news. In person, many people here in the north prefer to avoid confrontation and conflict on political topics, since it can get heated. In the south, people are quite anti-KMT and very vocal about it. They seem more willing to engage in conflict behaviors. The tone of political exchange can be unpleasant or distressing at times. It's pretty clear, however, that many people value the right of free speech and the right to vote. I don't think they'll be willing to give that up any time soon.

Another aspect of political change here is the strong expectation that government will not be corrupt. People are really offended by embezzlement or corruption on a scale that would be hardly worth considering in the US. The former president embezzled a few million USD. A sum that might buy one or two of John McCain's seven houses. A sum that would pay for the American military in Iraq for less than one week. But people are outraged about corruption, even when it is only a matter of 40,000USD of coupons for use at a department store. Part of the problem is that things that are now considered corruption were just standard operating procedure in the old KMT days. New procedures for how political parties should handle funds have not been clearly established. One of the ironies of all this is that the desire for impartial, objective rules that apply the same to everyone in the name of fairness - which often translates into a new inflexibility about rules - probably tends to make life harder for people without any powerful connections or lots of money. Corruption was the way government operated under the old KMT, in my opinion, on a scale that utterly dwarfs anything for which politicians are now being prosecuted. But the fact that they can prosecute a former president through the legal system, debate it on television every day, and maintain a stable society throughout is rather interesting. In the United States, we are not capable of prosecuting a former president. No matter how objectively justified, I just don't think that politically it will ever happen. I'm sorry about that. I wish they would charge Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the other major players in the Bush administration who made torture permissible with war crimes.

Stefani

yinuo : 2008-12-29#80
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哈哈..你发现的这个问题,其实很早就有人提过.不过人家到人文层次.总体来说,中国现代教育,不重视培养如何当一个对社会有用的普通人.也就是如何提高普通人素质,中国现代教育更重视的是如何做一个成功的人,直白的说如何做个有钱有势的人.这也就是优秀的中日高中女生在被问道将来你预备做什么的时候. 日本姑娘回答做个好的家庭主妇,中国姑娘回答我要做总裁的原因.如果你是个华人学生,面对你长大了要做什么这种问题,你在加拿大可以很自豪的说,我想做个修车的.估计加拿大的华人家长开始可以接受.同样的问题,如果你在中国这样回答,估计家长脸色会很不好看.

中国女生,如果她以后的志向是当个好的家庭主妇,照样把家搞得漂漂亮亮,干干净净,很多人原来来加以前估计在家吃饭的时间都不多的,到了加拿大当家庭主妇也开始把家搞得清请爽爽,以前我估计是叫保姆或者钟点工干的.

Susana. : 2008-12-30#81
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认同LZ的观点,与周围的老外邻居的装饰相比,再和我们的周围的同胞的比,总体来说差别太不小了。。。

dwarf cichild 1 : 2008-12-30#82
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老外和中国人一样的,中国人中也不乏高中未毕业,但勤奋工作,爱好广泛,加重一尘不染的人。虽然文化、人种不同,但是其他是一样的。
:wdb10::wdb10:

lisa(sz) : 2008-12-30#83
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谢谢支持!加重=家中,sorry

summermemo : 2008-12-30#84
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这是俺家,不亚于老外,但是俺家在中国人中不具有代表性。

如果你家装修放到HGTV的节目里,就是非常好的“decoration disaster"的案例。
富有文化气息的装饰元素固然好,但是这样个堆积法,有点像浑身带满了首饰与装饰品的女子。

繁复美,混搭,没有一点功力是不行的。功力稍低,就沦落到堆砌的境界了。

2年前在网上看到您家的照片,就有这个想法。

李大嘴 : 2008-12-30#85
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这张图片只能说明家里花了钱,装修了,其他不能说明什么问题。

噢,到国人家就“说明不了问题了”,到外国人家就是品味高尚,明白了~~!

bcgk : 2008-12-30#86
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噢,到国人家就“说明不了问题了”,到外国人家就是品味高尚,明白了~~!
这就是著名的“屁股决定脑袋论“。

大江东区 : 2008-12-30#87
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噢,到国人家就“说明不了问题了”,到外国人家就是品味高尚,明白了~~!

可能他觉得外国人家里不花钱,不装修也能做到干净的吧。

Silentman : 2008-12-30#88
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如果我没有理解错的话 我觉得lz只是想阐述文化修养 并不是完全靠金钱 学历来包装 也不是金钱 财产所能替代的 这本身就是个敏感话题对于一些人来说。

volkswagen : 2008-12-30#89
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如果我没有理解错的话 我觉得lz只是想阐述文化修养 并不是完全靠金钱 学历来包装 也不是金钱 财产所能替代的 这本身就是个敏感话题对于一些人来说。

那是绝对正确的,LZ很烦的是非要拿国内国内高中没毕业的人来比,国内学历不高修养好的人多了去了,要早10几年,大学对除北京上海之外的人都不好考,难道考不了大学就没有追求真善美的灵魂了;说到室内装修,这里的水准还真的没法和国内比。。。

never_talk : 2008-12-30#90
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我见过的中国人买的房子都弄得很好,不过租的房子或是公寓就不行。我觉得有审美观的一方面,还有就是中国人不爱装饰租的房子,因为不是自己的,总会搬家的,这点和老外不一样。

jie_ming : 2008-12-30#91
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文化素养真不是一朝一夕能培养出来的啊!

shanshan456 : 2008-12-30#92
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不觉得有啥品味呀,充其量说得上简单干净罢了.尤其是客厅那个沙发...在中国,随便走个人家比他家装饰得漂亮的多了.

余则成 Liftmaster : 2008-12-30#93
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感谢楼主的图片分享,的确比我家干净好几倍!

never_talk : 2008-12-30#94
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感谢楼主的图片分享,的确比我家干净好几倍!
我觉得你是想说整齐吧?一般家里会有些乱,但是还是干净的。

再说,如果请人到家里玩儿的话,象楼主的老外朋友,连卧室都让人照相的话,肯定是要提前收拾的,所以整齐是很正常的。

wolfyzj : 2008-12-30#95
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楼主辛苦了,不明白某些人为什么总喜欢攻击楼主,妒忌吧!呵呵!

大江东区 : 2008-12-30#96
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楼主辛苦了,不明白某些人为什么总喜欢攻击楼主,妒忌吧!呵呵!

需要吗?温哥华卧虎藏龙之地,只是不显山,不露水而已。

我是一片云天空是我家 : 2008-12-31#97
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除了楼主提到的学历与素质,整洁相挂钩比较不同意以外,其他所阐述的观点基本同意。

相信楼主指的是大部分西人与华人对家居(特别是厨厕)整洁的对比,并不是指所有华人比不上所有西人。确实老外对厨厕,公共卫生区方面比我们作得更好。

我来自所谓的书香门第,可是从小父母亲都把一颗红心献给党,不是上干校就是下班后还要开会。能把我们喂饱就了不起了,怎能有时间去布置家居呢?更何况在那个时候,谁家又有闲钱去美化家居呀?看到女生宿舍的照片,我都脸红了,我们那时候外语学院的女生还是比较讲究的,可是公共卫生区确是实在不敢恭维,尤其是厕所,想想都。。。。。后来碰上改革开放,总算有钱了,可以好好装修房子了。可是从小没有学多少美学,也没有机会从小耳暄目染,只好请装修工来了(现在听说国内也多了私人室内设计师了)。不知大家对装修公司的满意度有多少,我到现在还没有碰到一个人说满意的。相对很多西人确实是自己去装饰整个家的。就象楼主所说,东西并不高档(绝对没有我们花的银子多),但却收拾地干净利落,蛮有品位的。我也认识一些很会收拾房子的华人女朋友,但是在比例中还是比会收拾房子的西人少多了。尤其是一些细微处。

谢谢楼主的分享!我已经努力学习了几年,很有进步。但是还需再学习!

peony : 2008-12-31#98
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工作关系去过许多西人家,有些西人家看着是nice一些,但有些西人家里实在不敢恭维,简直就是--恶心!所以不要啥都要上纲上线。。。

xianglibao : 2008-12-31#99
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是得学习,说实话,我的厨房厕所都很干净,但太实在不够美观,比如抹布是不是要收起来,厕所清洗机剂是不是要放到储藏室去。另外,我不喜欢摆太多饰物,认为那些小玩意招灰尘,不好擦洗。我的哲学是简单实用,这个美学方面的确是欠考虑,觉得外国人家摆设多,看着热闹,但是太难打理了,想想还是一切从简吧。

octor : 2008-12-31#100
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Hi!
老外好的一面我们一定要学习!但是各人行为习惯不能和学历简单挂钩。
请看真实版,这是一个在中国没有高学历,在加拿大是标准文盲的普通家庭妇女(乐颠颠老妈)家的卫生间。
http://forum.iask.ca/showthread.php?t=55856&page=118/第2343楼。
建议台子上放一个reed diffuser:wdb6:

一个爱玩儿的人 : 2008-12-31#101
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包坏好,新年快乐!

geshuo : 2009-01-04#102
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浏览附件99970
这是我家厨房(国内),房子就是一般的商品房(咱也买不起所谓的高尚社区),但我感觉收拾的也不必外国高中毕业生差。窗台上的柿子是我老爸的最爱,呵~!
我老爸老妈赶上文革,没啥书好念,所谓的老三届。所以我感觉个人爱好或品味和学历、文凭没啥关系。而且我家也算是很普通很普通的中国家庭,据有可比性。

我不明白,人的修养,艺术眼光,干净程度和文化层次有什么关系?我真佩服李大嘴老妈老爸,有一点大家忽略了,要知道中餐烹,煎,炒油烟要比简单的西餐多几十倍,二老能把中餐厨房每天打扫得倍儿亮,实乃不易,向二老学习,致敬!

350 : 2009-01-04#103
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看完全部,知道谦虚有多重要。
其实大家更关注的是阐述问题的态度和角度。

kevin7777 : 2009-01-04#104
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崇洋媚外......鉴定完毕!

kevin7777 : 2009-01-04#105
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我对您称赞他家干净整齐没什么意见,但是对您对比的这种说话语气有些反感。
1、他在加拿大没上完高中就算半个文盲?移民到这里,母语不是英语的基本都是文盲。您不需要和他比层次,比语言比文化背景就知道差别了。
2、没有高学历的人不配拥有养花种草收拾庭院的精神修养?初中没毕业的大伯大妈爷爷奶奶们去交流一个养花种草收藏古董和养宠物的经验,您会有更大的提高。
3、国内有高学历的人也收拾不出这样的房子?人以群分,物以类聚,您在国内没见过这样的,说明您所处的圈子的问题。
4、国内没有高学历的更加没有这种精神层次和动手能力?您要是看到过一无所有的乡村小学生给他们老师做的冰花、收拾的房间就知道什么是贫瘠的土地上的艺术修养了。
5、这样的人在加拿大有很多,而你在国内鲜少见到。所以推导出加拿大的‘贫下中农’也比国内一般的家庭有更完美的艺术修养和精神境界乃至动手能力?您知道以前所说到本世纪中叶追上发达国家的生活水平是什么意思吧。

我知道我语气很过份,但是这样的比较也很过份。您要表扬他,又要表现出您不是和他一个层次的,踩着他表扬他。更要通过踩着他表扬他再踩到大洋彼岸的贫下中农头上去。我有点愤怒。
同意. 俺也去过不少洋人家.整洁的,乱的 都有. 不要以点论面,以劣比优. 物以类聚,人与群分. 不要象刘老老逛大观园似的.

外星人 : 2009-01-04#106
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看完全部,知道谦虚有多重要。
其实大家更关注的是阐述问题的态度和角度。
看到您发言了,, :wdb6:

可乐哥 : 2009-01-04#107
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楼主也是好意!

差距确实存在。

买房子时看过很多家。大部分老外家比较有味道。大部分中国人住过的家,不敢恭维。

租的Building里也是相同景象。。尤更胜。。租的不当自己家。。

所以,告诉自己更要学习。。借鉴。。

同勉。。

:wdb10:

debbie tsai : 2009-01-04#108
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您家可真够。。。眼花缭乱的看的我。。。
支持!

LavenderFromParis : 2010-08-26#109
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看过

LavenderFromParis : 2010-08-26#110
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除了楼主提到的学历与素质,整洁相挂钩比较不同意以外,其他所阐述的观点基本同意。

相信楼主指的是大部分西人与华人对家居(特别是厨厕)整洁的对比,并不是指所有华人比不上所有西人。确实老外对厨厕,公共卫生区方面比我们作得更好。

我来自所谓的书香门第,可是从小父母亲都把一颗红心献给党,不是上干校就是下班后还要开会。能把我们喂饱就了不起了,怎能有时间去布置家居呢?更何况在那个时候,谁家又有闲钱去美化家居呀?看到女生宿舍的照片,我都脸红了,我们那时候外语学院的女生还是比较讲究的,可是公共卫生区确是实在不敢恭维,尤其是厕所,想想都。。。。。后来碰上改革开放,总算有钱了,可以好好装修房子了。可是从小没有学多少美学,也没有机会从小耳暄目染,只好请装修工来了(现在听说国内也多了私人室内设计师了)。不知大家对装修公司的满意度有多少,我到现在还没有碰到一个人说满意的。相对很多西人确实是自己去装饰整个家的。就象楼主所说,东西并不高档(绝对没有我们花的银子多),但却收拾地干净利落,蛮有品位的。我也认识一些很会收拾房子的华人女朋友,但是在比例中还是比会收拾房子的西人少多了。尤其是一些细微处。

谢谢楼主的分享!我已经努力学习了几年,很有进步。但是还需再学习!

实在啊!

盗梦空间 : 2011-06-14#111
回复: 温哥华:高中学历老外的家

美国女博士回复:

Kenny has a very nice apartment by my standards. It is a pleasure to observe how clean it is. I confess that my own apartment at present is filthy. That is partly because I am preparing to move to a new one this weekend. And it is partly a mess because we have had too many people and too many things crowded into too small a space for too long. My roommates are not as neat as Kenny, but in truth it takes a great deal of labor to get this place looking clean.

Did anybody edit that at all for you? It has crossed that final degree to native speaker quality. In truth, it is really quite rare that anyone whose mother tongue is Chinese can do that without growing up speaking the language. You do have a gift for language.

Sounds like you're doing well in Canada. I'm glad you've found some things you appreciate about the place. Canada seems nice in many ways, though I've never been there.

There are still some old haphazardly put-together structures where old people live that are not clean and neat here. Years ago there were many of them, and many were occupied by soldiers who came over with Chiang Kaishek. These places were dark caves with corrugated iron roofs that looked built without a plan. One neighborhood like that was torn down years ago and replaced iwth a very large park, Da An Park. It's Taipei's version of Central Park. It really is pretty big and does offer some relief from the city, but it's still an urban park and you can hear the traffic on all sides.

There are a few other neighborhoods where people clearly built their own houses, with narrow pathways running between homes on a mountain side. Everything seems to be irregular shapes and sizes. These places are often a bit damp. There is sometimes something charming about the cockeyed way things are laid out. People saved one neighborhood like that called Treasure Hill from destruction - a bunch of artists started camping out there and refused to leave. It became an artists community and eventually I think they got government support, so now people are given those spaces to use as studios.

There are a few places here and there where you can still see the old style of store front, from the days when most people lived in the same building as their store. Some of those places are pretty interested, packed up to the cieling with odds and ends that the elderly people inside think will be useful. There's barely any room for the people, sometimes. Things are stacked so high that it is like walking through a tunnel or maze to get into their space. They sit in chairs watching the street. Places like these are fairly exceptional.

Public bathrooms here are not always clean. Women have that nasty habit of neither sitting on the toilet seat nor lifting it up, so they sprinkle pee all over. You can tell a higher class establishment because you won't see this in the bathroom. It's not clear to me that buildings here have heat. It doesn't get very cold in Taiwan for long, so people just stick it out. A cold day here is a rainy 15 degrees celcius.

Taipei is much much cleaner than it was 15 or 20 years ago. They have made getting rid of garbage terribly inconvenient - you have to listen for an electronic song broadcast by the garbage truck (usually Beethoven's Fur Elise) and then run down to meet the truck at a fixed point in time every day. In other words, people no longer leave piles of garbage bags on a street corner stinking in the hot sun waiting for a garbage truck to come by, with dogs and cats picking at it. The air pollution, while bad, is much better than years ago, as is the traffic. Partly that's due to the nice clean bright subway they built. Unlike New York, the subway is cleaner than the street level of the city. You will find the New York subway shocking perhaps, as it is dilapidated and dirty by Asian standards. The city of New York has not prioritized public transportation in its city planning for many decades and the result is clear.

Many people seem to live in fairly clean apartments here. I have seen many apartments that appear to have been renovated inside at some point. I don't always like people's taste, but even twenty years ago I found the standard of living acceptable. Men here chew binglang. It's a big business. But unlike one slum district in Hong Kong I have been to where there are red streaks of binglang juice marking the walls in stairwells, I don't see that here. I don't know where the working class people spit their binglang juice, but I don't see it all over the street or anything. It seems to be a working class thing.

Another sign of just how much things have changed here in 20 years is the condition of animals. Before, you used to see a lot of mangy strays living off garbage. They were afraid of people and didn't have enough hair. Now you hardly see strays any more. But you do see people walking around with little designer dogs in baby carriages dressed up in clothing. It's so silly. It's absolutely absurd that people think furred animals have to wear clothing in winter here. There are an awful lot of larger dogs patiently tolerating t-shirts or sweaters as if this is a normal thing. I guess it is emotionally satisfying to the people. At the same time, there are now quite a few of animal rescue associations that pick up stray animals, neuter them, and find homes for them. This remains necessary because other people continue to dump their pets when they become inconvenient to care for. There is some old notion that if you dump the animal in the countryside it will be able to survive on its own. People dump very old animals that nobody except a very, very kind person wants to adopt. But the fact that there are people who are deeply concerned about the condition of pet animals is probably a good sign in terms of the standard of living of people. Years ago you also used to see more live animals being killed in the markets and rather gory butcher stands. Those seem less common. Rather sterile, brightly lit supermarkets selling prepackaged food have become more common, although they are not always quite as clean as their American counterparts would be. Outdoor markets used to stink here. Now they don't really seem to stink - people don't leave vegetable or other garbage around.

That's the material infrastructure. As for public access to institutions, that's hard for me to gauge. I'm not in the public school system. It seems to me that university campuses make everything available to their students that they can. It doesn't seem too hard to get access to a library. The most amazing thing to me is the healthcare system. I have never had such free access to high quality healthcare before. It is so inexpensive. Everyone is covered - there are almost no people without insurance like in the US. Unlike the privatized US system which is fragmented, inconsistent and has much higher adminstrative costs, there is only one level of insurance here. It covers a great deal and gives people free choice of any doctor they want to see. You can see a traditional doctor or a western one. You don't have to wait a long time for appointments -- it's quite efficient. The quality of care in large hospitals seems pretty good. I am grateful all the time for the kind of medical care I can get here. It's really too bad that there's almost no possibility of the US getting rid of its private insurance system to adopt the more economical Taiwan style single payer system. Canada also has a single payer system. I'm not sure if it's as efficient as Taiwan's or not.

Another thing that changed radically here is politics. People make constant use of their right to free speech on the radio and in the news. In person, many people here in the north prefer to avoid confrontation and conflict on political topics, since it can get heated. In the south, people are quite anti-KMT and very vocal about it. They seem more willing to engage in conflict behaviors. The tone of political exchange can be unpleasant or distressing at times. It's pretty clear, however, that many people value the right of free speech and the right to vote. I don't think they'll be willing to give that up any time soon.

Another aspect of political change here is the strong expectation that government will not be corrupt. People are really offended by embezzlement or corruption on a scale that would be hardly worth considering in the US. The former president embezzled a few million USD. A sum that might buy one or two of John McCain's seven houses. A sum that would pay for the American military in Iraq for less than one week. But people are outraged about corruption, even when it is only a matter of 40,000USD of coupons for use at a department store. Part of the problem is that things that are now considered corruption were just standard operating procedure in the old KMT days. New procedures for how political parties should handle funds have not been clearly established. One of the ironies of all this is that the desire for impartial, objective rules that apply the same to everyone in the name of fairness - which often translates into a new inflexibility about rules - probably tends to make life harder for people without any powerful connections or lots of money. Corruption was the way government operated under the old KMT, in my opinion, on a scale that utterly dwarfs anything for which politicians are now being prosecuted. But the fact that they can prosecute a former president through the legal system, debate it on television every day, and maintain a stable society throughout is rather interesting. In the United States, we are not capable of prosecuting a former president. No matter how objectively justified, I just don't think that politically it will ever happen. I'm sorry about that. I wish they would charge Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the other major players in the Bush administration who made torture permissible with war crimes.

Stefani
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藕花深处 : 2011-06-14#112
回复: 温哥华:高中学历老外的家

品位跟学问是两码事

金色蔷薇 : 2011-06-14#113
回复: 温哥华:高中学历老外的家

LZ 其实大嘴的厨房在国内已经是很普遍的了 不只是北京上海 我是四川人 这边一般工薪阶层基本上也是这样了
LZ的初衷是好的 我也承认我是80后有时也没能把房间收拾得太整洁 不过LZ应该就事论事 表扬他就单表扬 没必要强调你自己的不同
低调点更好

盗梦空间 : 2011-06-15#114
回复: 温哥华:高中学历老外的家

好啊

MAISIE : 2011-06-15#115
回复: 温哥华:高中学历老外的家

一个人的综合素质和他的生活和成长环境有一定的关系!
没错