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移民后学什么专业比较好?

原文链接:https://forum.iask.ca/threads/226182/

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#1
如题

lin58 : 2009-01-23#2
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How about canadian history? I found too many local people were frustrated about history learning but there is a shortage of history talents here. Think about the advantages it has: government support, less challenge,confortable working surrounding in the future, the most important and prominent aspect: your back ground, and so many others.----------just for your reference.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#3
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谢谢你的忠告,我会考虑的。有时候会想,自己现在生活还不错,再重新开始一段全新的生活,接受新的挑战,是否值得。

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#4
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祝你新年快乐,在加国生活幸福!每个人的道路都是自己选择的结果,是自己的决定。人生是场旅行,有阴雨绵绵的时候,有阳光明媚的时候,也有波山涉水的时候,...... 不畏艰险才能看到最美丽的风景。

bluewife : 2009-01-23#5
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如果英语好就赶紧弄个好找工作的专业证书就行
如果英语还不够好就先找份工作练习口语和听力

victoria_001 : 2009-01-23#6
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我本科学的是英语教育,硕士是对外经济贸易大学的商务英语,从事过6年的大学英语教师,现在从事传统文化研究,不知到加国后,我读什么专业,继续从事什么行业,请教各位有识人士指教,非常感谢!

MM,对外经济贸易大学的商务英语,你的导师是哪位?陈苏东?还是张静?你哪年读的硕士?

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#7
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我导师常力。

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#8
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关键是什么专业好找工作呢,什么专业有前途呢?

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#9
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常老师是位非常认真的老师,治学严谨,对学生非常负责,我的论文从内容到语言,再到标点符号,要求非常严格,这样老师已经不多,让我收益终生。

victoria_001 : 2009-01-23#10
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我导师常力。

有个叫余瑾的女生你认识吗?01年入学的

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#11
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不认识。

victoria_001 : 2009-01-23#12
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常老师是位非常认真的老师,治学严谨,对学生非常负责,我的论文从内容到语言,再到标点符号,要求非常严格,这样老师已经不多,让我收益终生。

可惜我没上过她的课。之后你是留校了是吗?

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#13
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今天北京阳光明媚的,却北风呼啸,尘土飞扬,今年好像没有下过一场雪,这是什么样的季节啊

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#14
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我没有留校,不过心理总想读书,一直想到国外读书,总有这个想法,却至今没有实现。

lin58 : 2009-01-23#15
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Everyone is keeping an eye on the trend of job market now. lots of new immigrants are in their middle age and the studies may be their last chances to accept teacher-directed education in life, so discretion on the subject chosed is strongly suggested. Personal interests, degree of affordable commitments and the tolerance of mental stresses may be the main factors to be clarified before leaping into next step. But if your resolution is so clear in line with above mentioned three aspects, finding a profession and how-to can be an easy thing.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#16
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Personal interests, degree of affordable commitments and the tolerance of mental stresses ,你说的非常对。今年我已经32岁了,时间非常紧迫,所以专业的选择非常重要。

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#17
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所选专业既要符合自己的兴趣爱好,又要能在市场竞争中找到自己位置,考虑未来的持续性,很不容易,我身体比较弱,还要考虑工作的强度和压力。

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#18
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我一直感到自己没有专业,英语不是专业,只是工具,所以我现在又在职读金融硕士,我没有想过我将来能赚多少钱,我只想在自己有时间和精力的情况下多丰富自己,开阔自己的视野和提高自己对社会的认识,从谋生的角度看,要求不高,能有开心和健康的生活足矣。

lin58 : 2009-01-23#19
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Some job categories are needed ASAP in Canada-fast-track permenent residence:Financial Managers, Computer and Information Systems Managers, Managers in Health Care Restaurant and Food Service Managers, Accommodation Service Managers, Construction Managers, Financial Auditors and Accountants, Geologists, Geochemists and Geophysicists Mining Engineers, Geological Engineers, Petroleum Engineers, Specialist Physicians, General Practitioners and Family Physicians Audiologists and Speech Language Pathologists, Occupational Therapists, Physiotherapists, Head Nurses and Supervisors, Registered Nurses, Medical Radiation Technologists, Licensed Practical Nurses, University Professors, College and Other Vocational Instructors, Chefs, Cooks, Contractors and Supervisors. Wish could be helpful.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#20
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Financial Managers, Computer and Information Systems Managers, Managers in Health Care Restaurant and Food Service Managers, Accommodation Service Managers, Construction Managers, Financial Auditors and Accountants, Geologists, Geochemists and Geophysicists Mining Engineers, Geological Engineers, Petroleum Engineers, Specialist Physicians, General Practitioners and Family Physicians Audiologists and Speech Language Pathologists, Occupational Therapists, Physiotherapists, Head Nurses and Supervisors, Registered Nurses, Medical Radiation Technologists, Licensed Practical Nurses, University Professors, College and Other Vocational Instructors, Chefs, Cooks, Contractors and Supervisors.
谢谢你,辛苦了。这么一大堆职业,眼晕,呵呵,不过我会谨慎选择并结合自己的兴趣和实际情况的。

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#21
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我要吃午饭了,下午见!谢谢各位!

victoria_001 : 2009-01-23#22
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我觉得MM去商学院学个硕士比较合适。会计或者物流,不太难,也好找工作。

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#23
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我觉得MM去商学院学个硕士比较合适。会计或者物流,不太难,也好找工作。
谢谢

victoria_001 : 2009-01-23#24
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是吗,我本想学这样的专业的,原来在贸大也学过经济类的相关英文课程,有一点基础。

我知道经贸大学的学生都学过商科课程,所以这些课对你来说并不难。:wdb9:

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#25
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在哪里都要生活和过日子,快乐和幸福的生活最重要,生活有规划,既要有前瞻性,也要立足现在。这是我生活的理念。

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#26
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闲下来的日子就是好好工作,好好生活,认真学习,收集信息,开拓认识。

lin58 : 2009-01-23#27
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Take a rest .........

Niagara fall

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Toronto downtown

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白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#28
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啊,真漂亮

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-23#29
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谢谢你,美丽的风景,我好喜欢!

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-24#30
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有没有永驻的风景?很想美丽可以永远留存。

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-24#31
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:wdb6:

布什他哥 : 2009-01-24#32
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我本科学的是英语教育,硕士是对外经济贸易大学的商务英语,从事过6年的大学英语教师,现在从事传统文化研究,不知到加国后,我读什么专业,继续从事什么行业,请教各位有识人士指教,非常感谢!
你必须改行.本地毕业的英国文学博士也找不到工作.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-24#33
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你必须改行.本地毕业的英国文学博士也找不到工作.
你看我学什么比较合适呢?

lin58 : 2009-01-24#34
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Experiences are eternal and unique for everyone 's canadian dream. The process itself is fabulas and unforgetable, which inevitably lead to present. More preparations and maturely decesions help learn robustly and be successful in future career.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-24#35
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Experiences are eternal and unique for everyone 's canadian dream. The process itself is fabulas and unforgetable, which inevitably lead to present. More preparations and maturely decesions help learn robustly and be successful in future career.
Yes,you are right. Canadian dream? I think it is life experience, a part of life experience. How to evaluate that dream? Dream & Reality. How far is that dream to reality?

布什他哥 : 2009-01-24#36
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你看我学什么比较合适呢?
认真想一下,你可读的专业很多的,商业,经济,社会学,...看你的CAREER GOAL是啥?

布什他哥 : 2009-01-24#37
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Experiences are eternal 没有这种用法.拜托,不要把中文译成了英文就算是英文了.又不是僵尸.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-24#38
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认真想一下,你可读的专业很多的,商业,经济,社会学,...看你的CAREER GOAL是啥?
谢谢你,也给你拜年了,祝你新春快乐!

lin58 : 2009-01-24#39
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Experiences are eternal 没有这种用法.拜托,不要把中文译成了英文就算是英文了.又不是僵尸.

:wdb11:It is fanciful using eteranl experience to give a vivid meaning here. While Chinese seldom say in this way, you can find a lot of English expression exactly the same.

lin58 : 2009-01-24#40
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Well, it comes to the reasons why people determine to immigrate to Canada, everyone may give answers in his or her own way. Some expectations, which mean you like certain degree of changes, probably become a force push you to make such a big decision. When you activate actions to achieve it, your anticipations may come to reality. Of course, define your measurable objective to live in Canada and specify your plans as much details as possible enable you manage all the changes easier. In my opinion, a further education gives us new immigrations a transition period and time to accommodate ourselves to Canadian society as well.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-24#41
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define your measurable objective; specify your plans as much details as possible;a further education gives us new immigrations a transition period.

It is true. You well said. Thanks.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-24#42
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My annual salary is more than 150,000 RMB. Is it worthwhile for me to go Canada to live a totally different life there?

lin58 : 2009-01-24#43
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So what do you think it will make differences to you. It can be only your second opinion.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-24#44
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So what do you think it will make differences to you. It can be only your second opinion.
谢谢你,北京特别有过年的气氛,我刚买了一个风车,风车随风飞舞,过年了,好开心啊!在国外过年寂寞吗?

布什他哥 : 2009-01-25#45
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好开心啊!在国外过年寂寞吗?
我在国外10年了,基本就过圣诞节,春节不大过的,寂寞是某些人的专利,不是到了外国才有的.开心的人到那都开心.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-25#46
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大年初一,春节快乐!

lin58 : 2009-01-25#47
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Thanks for your warm greeting and wish everything goes well with you too in the coming year.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-25#48
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Thanks, the feeling is very amiable.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-27#49
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希望能继续得到大家好的建议!

jonesno1 : 2009-01-29#50
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Well, it comes to the reasons why people determine to immigrate to Canada, everyone may give answers in his or her own way. Some expectations, which mean you like certain degree of changes, probably become a force push you to make such a big decision. When you activate actions to achieve it, your anticipations may come to reality. Of course, define your measurable objective to live in Canada and specify your plans as much details as possible enable you manage all the changes easier. In my opinion, a further education gives us new immigrations a transition period and time to accommodate ourselves to Canadian society as well.
怎么我总觉得你的英文很中国式啊?!!!这边真的很少人这样子写英文的,读得很不顺。。。

jonesno1 : 2009-01-29#51
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学英文的来的真的比较辛苦,要转专业看你愿意不愿意咯,要是真的很喜欢英文的可以试试读个博士,再做个教授留校教书做研究咯,不过这。。。对中国人来说,比转个专业更难

布什他哥 : 2009-01-29#52
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怎么我总觉得你的英文很中国式啊?!!!这边真的很少人这样子写英文的,读得很不顺。。。
不要打击别人用英文的积极性.

布什他哥 : 2009-01-29#53
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Well, it comes to the reasons why people determine to immigrate to Canada, everyone may give answers in his or her own way. Some expectations, which mean you like certain degree of changes, probably become a force push you to make such a big decision. When you activate actions to achieve it, your anticipations may come to reality. Of course, define your measurable objective to live in Canada and specify your plans as much details as possible enable you manage all the changes easier. In my opinion, a further education gives us new immigrations a transition period and time to accommodate ourselves to Canadian society as well.

People who chose to immigrate to Canada have their own reasons. Most people like change. .....

Their dreams will come true when people are well prepared. Defining a measurable objective, developing a detailed plan and pursuing an advanced degree will help people achieve their goals.

Studying at a Canadian university will provide immigrants a transition period to adapt to a completely new environment in Canada....

布什他哥 : 2009-01-29#54
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我觉的中国人写英文是写到哪就算哪.而英文是讲topic sentence.然后都是围绕这个中心讲.换TOPIC就要换个段落.

jonesno1 : 2009-01-29#55
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不要打击别人用英文的积极性.
可以看出来这位Lin58的英文功底很深,用的都是长句和不大常用的单词,但是也是因为这样才是Chinglish啊,想一下,你跟人说活总不会这样说吧。。。这边人说话是as silly and simple as possible

jonesno1 : 2009-01-29#56
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我觉的中国人写英文是写到哪就算哪.而英文是讲topic sentence.然后都是围绕这个中心讲.换TOPIC就要换个段落.
所以嘛,学英文不要看中国人写的书,同样道理,学中文,也不要看外国人写的书,呵呵

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-29#57
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学英文的来的真的比较辛苦,要转专业看你愿意不愿意咯,要是真的很喜欢英文的可以试试读个博士,再做个教授留校教书做研究咯,不过这。。。对中国人来说,比转个专业更难
看来我没有机会了,路漫漫其修远兮!:wdb7:

布什他哥 : 2009-01-29#58
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大家是中国人,写和说英文永远达不到外国人的水平.只有读和听可以达到NATIVE的水平.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-29#59
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大家是中国人,写和说英文永远达不到外国人的水平.只有读和听可以达到NATIVE的水平.
有这么绝对吗?

布什他哥 : 2009-01-29#60
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有这么绝对吗?
我体会如此吧,当然从小在这长大的就没问题,国内就是那些大师级英文教授写的也是错误百出.就是外国人写的也有很多错.某人在美国是出版很多英文小说的,但被出版社改了多少?就是NATIVE SPEAKER写的东西有时也很多错误.写作是最难的.口语也很难,讲的再溜也是外国口音.美国就是新英格兰地区英文算普通话吧.南部口音还有黑人口音都很重的.很多国内来的英语教授在这里做访问学者,听说写都有问题.未必赶得上本人的水平.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-29#61
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我体会如此吧,当然从小在这长大的就没问题,国内就是那些大师级英文教授写的也是错误百出.就是外国人写的也有很多错.某人在美国是出版很多英文小说的,但被出版社改了多少?就是NATIVE SPEAKER写的东西有时也很多错误.写作是最难的.口语也很难,讲的再溜也是外国口音.美国就是新英格兰地区英文算普通话吧.南部口音还有黑人口音都很重的.很多国内来的英语教授在这里做访问学者,听说写都有问题.未必赶得上本人的水平.
也许想在语言在上达到登峰造极的水平需要一生的修炼吧,汉语和英文都是一样的需要不断的锤炼。

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-29#62
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我比较喜欢下雪,尤其是飞雪飘扬的日子。只可惜这个冬天我在北京也没有遇到一场白雪飘飞的日子,很遗憾。我有个不情之请,您为什么叫“布什他哥”,这个名字很有个性。

布什他哥 : 2009-01-29#63
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我比较喜欢下雪,尤其是飞雪飘扬的日子。只可惜这个冬天我在北京也没有遇到一场白雪飘飞的日子,很遗憾。我有个不情之请,您为什么叫“布什他哥”,这个名字很有个性。
很多人问过这个问题,就是嘲笑布什的.因为美国人都觉得他八年就是打仗没干别的事.另外他曾是YALE的学生,我是这里的老师,就起了这么个怪名字.

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-29#64
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很多人问过这个问题,就是嘲笑布什的.因为美国人都觉得他八年就是打仗没干别的事.另外他曾是YALE的学生,我是这里的老师,就起了这么个怪名字.
呵呵,原来如此,那您应该叫“布什的老师”更好些,而“布什他哥”就好像您比布什还要年纪大。

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-29#65
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您一定是位怪才。

白雪飘飘 : 2009-01-29#66
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您的网名很有意思,很有个性,人也必定有不俗之处。

victoria_001 : 2009-01-30#67
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很多人问过这个问题,就是嘲笑布什的.因为美国人都觉得他八年就是打仗没干别的事.另外他曾是YALE的学生,我是这里的老师,就起了这么个怪名字.

我知道你是谁了,sannorm,北京2008都是你吧,图书馆专业毕业的,在Yale做librarian的?

lin58 : 2009-01-30#68
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Talking on BBS is a territory to create, develop some topics attractive to defined groups of people. Just select interest ones. People with questions may get answers, not matter what the depths of responses they reach. Inputs are welcome as they are supplementary and auxiliary. Selective information, sometimes even through people who are talking without intension, may be enough as a good suggestion. If I pester with a problem, I will search for some helps here also.

Vocabulary is an important factor which hinders most of new comers in their use of English. For instance, in daily conversion, you may be totally wrong to catch the speaker’s meaning if you don’t understand some key words. Besides, while every Canadian expresses a sentence he or she improvises giving same meaning in different way, listeners will not expect a “standard answer” nothing else but accept this style. You are encouraged to use any correct English popping up from your brain suitable for the situation. Here we suppose the audiences are smart enough---actually native Canadian adults are; generally they will get through any words seemed quite formal. Moreover, how many times we devour readings while skipping some new words and expressions? Our enthusiasms were jeopardized when too much uncertainties result from language guessing; thus these words and expressions are still new and the readings mean nothing to us as well.

Has anyone here ever read Obama’s inauguration speech? How perfect English he used! All my Canadian teachers sung high praises on it. It was a public speech but how delicate and skillful the words were chosen. English never lose charming to people who appreciate its diversity and art of expression. One thing impressed me the most is that Obama’s presentation skills. He did not take a glimpse at the speech manuscript and was proficient in using parallel structures--- the most difficult to master in presentation---in his 25 minutes speech.

A small quiz here is designed to one who is interested. There are three expressions I met just today. Get their meaning, or, if not, resort to a dictionary.

1. SEE YOU AROUND
2. WITH FLYING COLORS
3. VENT THE SPLEEN

So, see you around.

jonesno1 : 2009-01-30#69
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这样子说吧,对大部分人(非英语专业人士)来说,英语只是一种工具,用来交流的工具, 就像剪刀一样,只要能剪东西,没有人会在意它是多么伟大的发明,它的设计师多么的合理,不锈钢和铁做的会有什么样的区别,除了工程师或者裁缝,没办法,以它为生。。。

总统演说都是经过专业人士写出来的,当然精辟,我国国家领导人的演讲也是很精辟的阿(虽然总是两个字两个字的蹦出来的),怎么就没有人研究一下呢?

不要把学习英文弄进死胡同里,很容易变成哑巴英文的,可能也是文化的差异,国人什么都是研究研究,这边比较注重的还是实用,浪费那么多的时间精神和金钱把家装修的富丽堂皇,还不如要一个简简单单的,实实用用的,冬暖夏凉的三房两厅。。。总之,英文这东西能帮助你在这里发展成就你想要的人生就足够了(我也同意我们不可能超越英文为母语的,最多就模仿得跟他们差不多,当然不要低贱的拿我们读过书的跟他们没读过书的比),这也可能是为什么越小过来的越容易适应吧,不只是英文的问题,还有概念也跟这边趋同了。。。

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#70
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Has anyone here ever read Obama’s inauguration speech? How perfect English he used! All my Canadian teachers sung high praises on it. It was a public speech but how delicate and skillful the words were chosen. English never lose charming to people who appreciate its diversity and art of expression. One thing impressed me the most is that Obama’s presentation skills. He did not take a glimpse at the speech manuscript and was proficient in using parallel structures--- the most difficult to master in presentation---in his 25 minutes speech.

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奥巴马的演说稿不是奥巴马本人写的,是操刀手写的,他只有27岁。奥巴马本人私下已经练习了很多遍。所以千万别认为他临时发挥。

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#71
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Obama inauguration: Words of history ... crafted by 27-year-old in Starbucks Chief speechwriter known
Jon Favreau, head speech writer for US Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. Photograph: Emmanuel Dunand/AFP/Getty Images

When Barack Obama steps up to the podium to deliver his inaugural address, one man standing anonymously in the crowd will be paying especially close attention. With his cropped hair, five o'clock shadow and boyish face, he might look out of place among the dignitaries, though as co-author of the speech this man has more claim than most to be a witness to this moment of history.

Jon Favreau, 27, is, as Obama himself puts it, the president's mind reader. He is one of the youngest chief speechwriters on record in the White House, and, despite such youth, was at the centre of discussions of the content of today's speech, one which has so much riding on it.

For a politician whose rise to prominence was largely built upon his powers as an orator, Obama is well versed in the arts of speech-making. But today's effort will tower over all previous ones.

It is not just that Obama has set an extremely high bar by invoking the inaugural speeches of Abraham Lincoln as his inspiration - admitting to feeling "intimidated" when he read them. It is also that, as he begins his term with the US in an economic crisis and two wars, he knows he needs to kick start his presidency with a soaring rhetoric that both moves and motivates the American people.

The tone of the speech could be decisive in determining how the public responds to his first 100 days, as Franklin Roosevelt's famous line "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" helped to determine his.

Obama aides have let it be known that a key theme will be restoring responsibility - both in terms of accountability in Washington and the responsibility of ordinary people to get involved. Rahm Emanuel, Obama's chief of staff, talks of a "culture of responsibility" that would "not just be asked of the American people; its leaders must also lead by example."

In composing the high notes of the speech, Obama has leant on Favreau, whom he discovered almost by chance four years ago when the younger man was working on John Kerry's failed presidential bid. "Favs" has since studied Obama's speech patterns and cadences with the intensity of a stalker. He memorised the 2004 speech to the Democratic national convention which first brought Obama into the limelight. He is said to carry Obama's autobiography, Dreams From My Father, wherever he goes. As a result, last November when Favreau sat down to write the first draft of the inaugural address, he could conjure up his master's voice as if an accomplished impersonator.

That skill had been put to almost daily use in the 18 months of brutal campaigning on the presidential trail. Favreau would be up most nights until 3am, honing the next day's stump speeches in a caffeine haze of espressos and Red Bull energy drinks, taking breaks to play the video game Rock Band. He coined a phrase for this late-night deadline surfing: "crashing".

He crashed his way through all Obama's most memorable speeches. He wrote the draft of one that helped to turn Iowa for Obama while closeted in a coffee shop in Des Moines. For the presidential election, he wrote two speeches: one for a victory, one for defeat. When the result came through, he emailed his best friend: "Dude, we won. Oh my God."

The tension between such youthful outbursts and his onerous role has sometimes cost the 27-year-old. In December, pictures of him and a friend mocking a cardboard cut-out of Hillary Clinton at a party, Favreau's hand on her breast, were posted on Facebook to his huge embarrassment.

Obama is an accomplished writer in his own right, and the process of drafting with his mind reader is collaborative. The inaugural speech has shuttled between them four or five times, following an initial hour-long meeting in which the president-elect spoke about his vision for the address, and Favreau took notes on his computer.

Favreau then went away and spent weeks on research. His team interviewed historians and speech writers, studied periods of crisis, and listened to past inaugural orations. When ready, he took up residence in Starbucks in Washington and wrote the first draft. The end result will be uttered on the steps of the Capitol.

Obama's mind reader has crashed his way through yet another deadline.

This article was amended on Friday 23 January 2009. Jon Favreau, age 27, is not the youngest chief speechwriter in the White House. He shares that honour with James Fallows, who served as Jimmy Carter's speechwriter at the same age. This has been corrected.

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#72
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您的网名很有意思,很有个性,人也必定有不俗之处。
只是个网络ID.

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#73
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这样子说吧,对大部分人(非英语专业人士)来说,英语只是一种工具,用来交流的工具, 就像剪刀一样,只要能剪东西,没有人会在意它是多么伟大的发明,它的设计师多么的合理,不锈钢和铁做的会有什么样的区别,除了工程师或者裁缝,没办法,以它为生。。。

总统演说都是经过专业人士写出来的,当然精辟,我国国家领导人的演讲也是很精辟的阿(虽然总是两个字两个字的蹦出来的),怎么就没有人研究一下呢?

不要把学习英文弄进死胡同里,很容易变成哑巴英文的,可能也是文化的差异,国人什么都是研究研究,这边比较注重的还是实用,浪费那么多的时间精神和金钱把家装修的富丽堂皇,还不如要一个简简单单的,实实用用的,冬暖夏凉的三房两厅。。。总之,英文这东西能帮助你在这里发展成就你想要的人生就足够了(我也同意我们不可能超越英文为母语的,最多就模仿得跟他们差不多,当然不要低贱的拿我们读过书的跟他们没读过书的比),这也可能是为什么越小过来的越容易适应吧,不只是英文的问题,还有概念也跟这边趋同了。。。
一语中的。我上过proofreading的课,有本书就是这么写的,用最简单的字最简单的语法。

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#74
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Has anyone here ever read Obama’s inauguration speech? How (What?) perfect English he used! All my Canadian teachers sung high praises on it (指代不明, speech or English?). It (指代不明)was a public speech but (用词不当,中国人喜欢用,否定前半句?)how delicate and skillful the words were chosen. English (主题句讲的是speech?)never lose charming to people who appreciate its diversity and art of expression. One thing impressed me the most is that Obama’s presentation skills(和前面讲的是不同的事,很突然,转到了presentation skills). He did not take a glimpse at the speech manuscript and(用法不恰当) was proficient in using parallel structures--- the most difficult to master in presentation (用法不恰当)---in his 25 minutes (25-minute) speech.

lin58 : 2009-01-30#75
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Different usage in your style are highly appreciated. If I were you, I will NOT set a hard-and-fast rule. Braingstorming here enlighen my thoughts. Chinese academic doctrinairism obscure a lot of shortcomings. More than this, relying on simple application and judgement may not camouflage nervous sense or lack of confidence. Does it make sense?

enrry : 2009-01-30#76
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都跑题啦!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#77
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Different usage in your style are highly appreciated. If I were you, I will NOT set a hard-and-fast rule. Braingstorming here enlighen my thoughts. Chinese academic doctrinairism obscure a lot of shortcomings. More than this, relying on simple application and judgement may not camouflage nervous sense or lack of confidence. Does it make sense?
I would not argue if I were you. 中国人讲话用中文直接。虽然英文也可以,毕竟错误太多。让人猜测读不懂不是一个好的沟通方法。关于语言使用你有自由,但主要是给别人看。有关这个话题,我就到此为止。

jonesno1 : 2009-01-30#78
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Different usage in your style are highly appreciated. If I were you, I will NOT set a hard-and-fast rule. Braingstorming here enlighen my thoughts. Chinese academic doctrinairism obscure a lot of shortcomings. More than this, relying on simple application and judgement may not camouflage nervous sense or lack of confidence. Does it make sense?
你来加拿大了没有啊???来多少年??? 我来加拿大差不多4年了,在这里读书毕业也工作过,老实说,你的英文真的很不地道,倒像是国内研究英文的,而且年纪比较大的那种(大概要40打上吧)~我没说你不对。。。比喻一下就像国内论坛你总用文言文长篇大论的感觉。。。还好啦,反正你的英文修为应该很高,可塑之材阿~

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#79
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老实说,你来加拿大了没有啊???来多年后你对英文的想法和用法可能会改变呢~
他的英文就是把中文翻成了英文.有点象翻译器.

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#80
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我最近写升职报告,前前后后改了七次,我的老板改过了认为没问题了,到了DIRECTOR那里又重改,反反复复,两个老板给我改了七次.从标点到大小写.用词,语法,还有脚注和缩写词词汇表.达到可出版的要求了.获益匪浅.

jonesno1 : 2009-01-30#81
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我比较喜欢下雪,尤其是飞雪飘扬的日子。只可惜这个冬天我在北京也没有遇到一场白雪飘飞的日子,很遗憾。我有个不情之请,您为什么叫“布什他哥”,这个名字很有个性。
转话题咯,你来到加拿大就可能开始讨厌雪了。。。这里的雪不是一般的恐怖。。。和脏,尤其你要是有house要铲雪的时候,你会很后悔你当初喜欢下雪的感觉,哈哈

jonesno1 : 2009-01-30#82
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我最近写升职报告,前前后后改了七次,我的老板改过了认为没问题了,到了DIRECTOR那里又重改,反反复复,两个老板给我改了七次.从标点到大小写.用词,语法,还有脚注和缩写词词汇表.达到可出版的要求了.获益匪浅.
挺不错的,起码老板们都那么的认真呢,不过要出版的东西嘛,让读者改就不好了。。。我见过~忘了那本书~要是有发现错误的他们给奖品呢~

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#83
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挺不错的,起码老板们都那么的认真呢,不过要出版的东西嘛,让读者改就不好了。。。我见过~忘了那本书~要是有发现错误的他们给奖品呢~
我们老板说我写的报告交上去晋升没问题,但他们希望我们部门的材料是做得最好的.报告不出版,但会有评审委员会的成员审查.给人印象很重要.我的SUPPORTING MATERIALS(象我做过的TRAINING用的POWERPOINT HANDOUTS)都是用彩色打印机打的.

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#84
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话归原题,LZ可以考虑读图书馆专业.虽然入学要求对语言较高.但对LZ可能不难.

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#85
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美国图书馆学会认可的50所学校(加拿大7所,美国43所)

http://www.ala.org/ala/educationcareers/education/accreditedprograms/directory/list/index.cfm

多伦多大学
http://ischool.utoronto.ca/content/blogcategory/104/115
Facility in the English language
Programs within the Faculty of Information demand a very good command of English. Students in the program are not only expected to be able to write, speak and comprehend at a high level but also to communicate clearly in a variety of environments and formats.

All applicants whose primary language is not English, and who graduated from a non-Canadian university, must demonstrate facility in the English language.

Please note that the Faculty of Information requires higher minimum scores than the School of Graduate Studies.

For more information about the tests available to you, please consult the SGS website.

The scores required by the Faculty of Information are:

Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL), accompanied by a Test of Written English (TWE)

A minimum score of 600 (or 250 on computer-based tests) is required for the TOEFL and 5.5 for the TWE.
Internet-based Testing (IBT)
An overall score of 100/120 with a minimum of 27 for writing and 24 for speaking
Michigan English Language Assessment Battery (MELAB)
Minimum required score of 87
International English Language Testing System (IELTS))
Minimum required score of 8.0
English Language Diagnosis & Assessment (ELDA)/Certificate of Proficiency in English (COPE)
Minimum required score of 6, with at least 3 in the writing portion
International ESL Program, School of Continuing Studies, University of Toronto
Required final grade of A in Level 60

Last Updated ( Wednesday, 17 September 2008 )

麦吉尔大学
http://www.mcgill.ca/sis/programs/mlis/admission/
Applicants must have a bachelor's degree from a recognized university. Academic standing of at least a B, or second class, upper division, or CPGA of 3.0 out of 4.0 is normally required.

The School will take into account the character of the applicants' undergraduate studies and their suitability for a career in library and information services.

Graduate courses in library and/or information studies taken in a school with a program not accredited by the American Library Association, cannot be accepted as credit toward the McGill MLIS.

Proficiency in English : Applicants to graduate studies whose mother tongue is not English and who have not completed an undergraduate or graduate degree from a recognized foreign institution where English is the language of instruction or from a recognized Canadian institution (anglophone or francophone), must submit documented proof of competency in oral and written English.

Before acceptance, appropriate exam results must be submitted directly from the TOEFL (Test of English as a Foreign Language) or IELTS (International English Language Testing Systems) Office. An institutional version of the TOEFL is not acceptable. Applications will not be considered if a TOEFL or IELTS test result is not available.

Such proof normally comprises the Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL) with a minimum score of 600 (paper-based test) or 250 (computer-based test), with a written score of at least 5.0 for either test, 100 (IBT Internet based TOEFL) with a written score of at least 25 and a reading, speaking, and listening score of not less than 20, or the International English Language testing System (IELTS) with a minimum overall band score of 7.5.

Applicants whose mother tongue is not English may be asked to demonstrate an English-language competency beyond the submission of the TOEFL or IELTS scores.
---指电话面试或面试.
Competency in the use of computers is expected. Applicants should have a thorough knowledge of the Windows operating system, particularly file management and word processing, and presentation software such as PowerPoint.

Previous library experience, while not essential, will be given consideration in assessing an application but cannot replace academic requirements.

jonesno1 : 2009-01-30#86
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美国图书馆学会认可的50所学校(加拿大7所,美国43所)

http://www.ala.org/ala/educationcareers/education/accreditedprograms/directory/list/index.cfm

多伦多大学
http://ischool.utoronto.ca/content/blogcategory/104/115
Facility in the English language
Programs within the Faculty of Information demand a very good command of English. Students in the program are not only expected to be able to write, speak and comprehend at a high level but also to communicate clearly in a variety of environments and formats.

All applicants whose primary language is not English, and who graduated from a non-Canadian university, must demonstrate facility in the English language.

Please note that the Faculty of Information requires higher minimum scores than the School of Graduate Studies.

For more information about the tests available to you, please consult the SGS website.

The scores required by the Faculty of Information are:

Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL), accompanied by a Test of Written English (TWE)

A minimum score of 600 (or 250 on computer-based tests) is required for the TOEFL and 5.5 for the TWE.
Internet-based Testing (IBT)
An overall score of 100/120 with a minimum of 27 for writing and 24 for speaking
Michigan English Language Assessment Battery (MELAB)
Minimum required score of 87
International English Language Testing System (IELTS))
Minimum required score of 8.0
English Language Diagnosis & Assessment (ELDA)/Certificate of Proficiency in English (COPE)
Minimum required score of 6, with at least 3 in the writing portion
International ESL Program, School of Continuing Studies, University of Toronto
Required final grade of A in Level 60
Last Updated ( Wednesday, 17 September 2008 )

麦吉尔大学
http://www.mcgill.ca/sis/programs/mlis/admission/
Applicants must have a bachelor's degree from a recognized university. Academic standing of at least a B, or second class, upper division, or CPGA of 3.0 out of 4.0 is normally required.

The School will take into account the character of the applicants' undergraduate studies and their suitability for a career in library and information services.

Graduate courses in library and/or information studies taken in a school with a program not accredited by the American Library Association, cannot be accepted as credit toward the McGill MLIS.

Proficiency in English : Applicants to graduate studies whose mother tongue is not English and who have not completed an undergraduate or graduate degree from a recognized foreign institution where English is the language of instruction or from a recognized Canadian institution (anglophone or francophone), must submit documented proof of competency in oral and written English.

Before acceptance, appropriate exam results must be submitted directly from the TOEFL (Test of English as a Foreign Language) or IELTS (International English Language Testing Systems) Office. An institutional version of the TOEFL is not acceptable. Applications will not be considered if a TOEFL or IELTS test result is not available.

Such proof normally comprises the Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL) with a minimum score of 600 (paper-based test) or 250 (computer-based test), with a written score of at least 5.0 for either test, 100 (IBT Internet based TOEFL) with a written score of at least 25 and a reading, speaking, and listening score of not less than 20, or the International English Language testing System (IELTS) with a minimum overall band score of 7.5.
Applicants whose mother tongue is not English may be asked to demonstrate an English-language competency beyond the submission of the TOEFL or IELTS scores.

Competency in the use of computers is expected. Applicants should have a thorough knowledge of the Windows operating system, particularly file management and word processing, and presentation software such as PowerPoint.

Previous library experience, while not essential, will be given consideration in assessing an application but cannot replace academic requirements.

看了这么多,好像是MELAB最简单了,IELTS 8分比TOEFL100分要难拿吧~

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#87
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看了这么多,好像是MELAB最简单了,IELTS 8分比TOEFL100分要难拿吧~
有的人语言天才,如朱海洋,就是那个杀人犯,TOEFL满分.我以前一个同学也是国内直接过来的,满分,写作得6分.读完时还是国际学生身份,现在在联合国工作.

jonesno1 : 2009-01-30#88
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我们老板说我写的报告交上去晋升没问题,但他们希望我们部门的材料是做得最好的.报告不出版,但会有评审委员会的成员审查.给人印象很重要.我的SUPPORTING MATERIALS(象我做过的TRAINING用的POWERPOINT HANDOUTS)都是用彩色打印机打的.
果然是文科的,很专业嘛,我以前药厂做training的时候,还是拿以前旧的ppt上场照着读而已,呵呵

恭喜升职了!!!步步高升!!!

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#89
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果然是文科的,很专业嘛,我以前药厂做training的时候,还是拿以前旧的ppt上场照着读而已,呵呵

恭喜升职了!!!步步高升!!!
同喜吧.大家高升. :)

jonesno1 : 2009-01-30#90
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有的人语言天才,如朱海洋,就是那个杀人犯,TOEFL满分.我以前一个同学也是国内直接过来的,满分,写作得6分.读完时还是国际学生身份,现在在联合国工作.
不过哦,中国人要拿个英文高分还不容易么,去个补习班就行啦~好羡慕能去联合国工作哦~

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#91
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不过哦,中国人要拿个英文高分还不容易么,去个补习班就行啦~好羡慕能去联合国工作哦~
最大好处是收入不用交税.

jonesno1 : 2009-01-30#92
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最大好处是收入不用交税.
还不用交税阿?!!工资高不?

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#93
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还不用交税阿?!!工资高不?
高的.联合国官员薪水比美国政府官员高.还有很多外交礼遇.

jonesno1 : 2009-01-30#94
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好!那。。。我得努力了。。。现要成为加拿大公民,然后。。。不知道怎么办了。。。呵呵。。。

victoria_001 : 2009-01-30#95
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高的.联合国官员薪水比美国政府官员高.还有很多外交礼遇.

:wdb17: 布什他哥能否介绍一下,怎样才能去联合国工作?需要说几门外语?什么学历?什么工作经验?必须是加拿大公民吗?

多谢!

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#96
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:wdb17: 布什他哥能否介绍一下,怎样才能去联合国工作?需要说几门外语?什么学历?什么工作经验?必须是加拿大公民吗?

多谢!
主要要有国际组织工作的经验或背景,有人推荐很重要.在MONTREAL有国际民航组织等很多国际机构.联合国分支机构等.学历和语言当然重要.国籍不重要.

布什他哥 : 2009-01-30#97
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我今年就准备参加'民间大使'的活动到南非去.10天预算是6000美元.还可承受.增加点国际交流经验.也不是为了去联合国,主要是去玩一下.

victoria_001 : 2009-01-30#98
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主要要有国际组织工作的经验或背景,有人推荐很重要.在MONTREAL有国际民航组织等很多国际机构.联合国分支机构等.学历和语言当然重要.国籍不重要.

看来我要努力了。毕业之后就继续苦读西班牙语,意大利语

向联合国进军!

棉棉的糖 : 2009-01-30#99
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西班牙语好难发音!有很多音我发不出来 :( 前段时间出去玩,所有人都在讲西班牙语,完全不知道对方在讲什么。。。还是先从法语开始吧!
victoria, 法语有可能自学吗? 很感兴趣,打算学下,加拿大有什么教材可以利用? 谢谢!

victoria_001 : 2009-01-30#100
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西班牙语好难发音!有很多音我发不出来 :( 前段时间出去玩,所有人都在讲西班牙语,完全不知道对方在讲什么。。。还是先从法语开始吧!
victoria, 法语有可能自学吗? 很感兴趣,打算学下,加拿大有什么教材可以利用? 谢谢!

先说西班牙语。有的音我也发不出来,比如r,rr,我就发成l,老师建议的。拉美的人都听得懂。虽然发音地道很重要,可是如果舌头构造不同,真的发不出来,也不能因为一两个辅音不会就不学了啊。慢慢找感觉的吧。

MM前段时间是去加勒比了,还是墨西哥?八卦一下:wdb19:

再说法语,不知道MM住在哪里。如果在魁省,很多地方都可以学法语,COFI是给钱的,社区学校免费读。不过我建议初学者先学中国人编的语法书“简明法语教程”,对学习语法非常有帮助。

白雪飘飘 : 2009-02-01#101
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两天没有过来,这里讨论还很热烈,继续!

corabj : 2009-02-02#102
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看来我要努力了。毕业之后就继续苦读西班牙语,意大利语

向联合国进军!

法语不会的我就问你了!!
拍拍~~

joyliuy : 2009-02-05#103
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大家这么热心的建议,真的很令人感激!
小声的问一句,能给我指路一下吗:
我是国内的本科,读贸易的。毕业出来做零售业的采购7、8年了。去年拿到的移民签证,9月短登。现打算4、5月的样子过去长登,做移民监。就像很多桐子的想法一样,希望借念书来曲线融入加拿大社会。
现正在犹豫,曾经听说在加,master可能没本科好找工作,所以一开始计划申请个2nd degree;后来据在加念phd的大学同学介绍,master的起步薪水比较高,而且其实并不难找工作。又有点动摇了。但俺本科的日子都是混的,只有大三的成绩比较好,刚赶上三等奖学金。可能申请master或mba有点不利。
望前辈指点迷津:)


美国图书馆学会认可的50所学校(加拿大7所,美国43所)

http://www.ala.org/ala/educationcareers/education/accreditedprograms/directory/list/index.cfm

多伦多大学
http://ischool.utoronto.ca/content/blogcategory/104/115
Facility in the English language
Programs within the Faculty of Information demand a very good command of English. Students in the program are not only expected to be able to write, speak and comprehend at a high level but also to communicate clearly in a variety of environments and formats.

All applicants whose primary language is not English, and who graduated from a non-Canadian university, must demonstrate facility in the English language.

Please note that the Faculty of Information requires higher minimum scores than the School of Graduate Studies.

For more information about the tests available to you, please consult the SGS website.

The scores required by the Faculty of Information are:

Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL), accompanied by a Test of Written English (TWE)

A minimum score of 600 (or 250 on computer-based tests) is required for the TOEFL and 5.5 for the TWE.
Internet-based Testing (IBT)
An overall score of 100/120 with a minimum of 27 for writing and 24 for speaking
Michigan English Language Assessment Battery (MELAB)
Minimum required score of 87
International English Language Testing System (IELTS))
Minimum required score of 8.0
English Language Diagnosis & Assessment (ELDA)/Certificate of Proficiency in English (COPE)
Minimum required score of 6, with at least 3 in the writing portion
International ESL Program, School of Continuing Studies, University of Toronto
Required final grade of A in Level 60
Last Updated ( Wednesday, 17 September 2008 )

麦吉尔大学
http://www.mcgill.ca/sis/programs/mlis/admission/
Applicants must have a bachelor's degree from a recognized university. Academic standing of at least a B, or second class, upper division, or CPGA of 3.0 out of 4.0 is normally required.

The School will take into account the character of the applicants' undergraduate studies and their suitability for a career in library and information services.

Graduate courses in library and/or information studies taken in a school with a program not accredited by the American Library Association, cannot be accepted as credit toward the McGill MLIS.

Proficiency in English : Applicants to graduate studies whose mother tongue is not English and who have not completed an undergraduate or graduate degree from a recognized foreign institution where English is the language of instruction or from a recognized Canadian institution (anglophone or francophone), must submit documented proof of competency in oral and written English.

Before acceptance, appropriate exam results must be submitted directly from the TOEFL (Test of English as a Foreign Language) or IELTS (International English Language Testing Systems) Office. An institutional version of the TOEFL is not acceptable. Applications will not be considered if a TOEFL or IELTS test result is not available.

Such proof normally comprises the Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL) with a minimum score of 600 (paper-based test) or 250 (computer-based test), with a written score of at least 5.0 for either test, 100 (IBT Internet based TOEFL) with a written score of at least 25 and a reading, speaking, and listening score of not less than 20, or the International English Language testing System (IELTS) with a minimum overall band score of 7.5.

Applicants whose mother tongue is not English may be asked to demonstrate an English-language competency beyond the submission of the TOEFL or IELTS scores.
---指电话面试或面试.
Competency in the use of computers is expected. Applicants should have a thorough knowledge of the Windows operating system, particularly file management and word processing, and presentation software such as PowerPoint.

Previous library experience, while not essential, will be given consideration in assessing an application but cannot replace academic requirements.

joehe : 2009-02-05#104
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我也有同样问题,过来看看.

大饼 : 2009-02-12#105
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主要要有国际组织工作的经验或背景,有人推荐很重要.在MONTREAL有国际民航组织等很多国际机构.联合国分支机构等.学历和语言当然重要.国籍不重要.
国际组织是包括哪些部门,一般读书么专业:wdb17:

枫叶梦梦 : 2012-07-01#106
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