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doraemon 说:
到温哥华英文论坛看看就知道, 那些老外是很讨厌中国人的. 不过也有些华人爱讨骂, 发表一些帖子让人群起围攻. 什么Chink, Ching Chong滚出加拿大去之类的话也说出来了.
还有一个白人说: 他公司里的那几个中国人就喜欢摆阔气, 假装有钱, 其实他是不屑于如此, 不然还能在穿穿名牌之类事情上输给中国人? 还说中国人眼里就只有吃, 还有就是钱.
不喜欢当一等公民, 喜欢当二等人, 喜欢受歧视的就去吧. 让国内也少些人.
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不觉得discover vancouver 上都是攻击中国人的,自己看吧,反正那上面什么鸟都有。有一次,有人骂姚明,被人拍死了,看起来不像中国人拍的,那些对骂的脏话都很......黄、恨,至少不像移民。
尤其喜欢Galloot 的总结发言。
BCimmigration
Posted - 5/17/2005 2:47:11 PM Ok.
So I start reading the "dont vote NDP" forum and WTF is up with "asian pride". This is a serious issue. Vancouver, and the greater Vancouver area has too many asian people. It is affecting our identities as Canadian people. Majority of these people dont care to learn english because they can just move to Richmond, among other areas now and just live in asia basically. A lot of them are rude, and they take for granted that they were ALLOWED to come here. Im going to vote today, but we need to vote for someone that will restrict immigrants from becoming the majority in the greater Vancouver area. What will happen is when Asian people exceed the number of Canadians, then they will be in favor on Asia's interest. They will win votes, and there will be some serious disputes once these people get too much power.Canada and BC will seriously pay for it. I hope that I can one day consider new asian immigrants Canadians, but the way things are going, its looking like they want to establish a new China here. If these people are so PROUD of asia, why dont they move there. OH wait, they f*&ked it up already, think ahead people, same thing will happen here. I dont know why this issue isnt being brought up in TV, maybe because Asians have too much power already, or that people are scared to be labled racists. Im not a racist, this is a serious issue. If an asian person calls me racist it is out of pure self interest for their race and themselves, they dont understand where we are coming from. I dont know who to vote for, and I need advice, because its the big day. Hope to hear from you.
cvx
Posted - 5/17/2005 2:52:23 PM I guess you should vote for
BC Aryan Nazi Party. But, ooops.... that party is not in the list....
BCimmigration
Posted - 5/17/2005 2:57:01 PM Knew this was going to come up. I have no problem with Asian people being here. Problem is, they are taking advantage of the slack policies. Im not racist, i dont believe that certain races are better than others, I am just looking out the BC best interest. New immigrants dont know what is best for BC because they didnt grow up here. Comments like asian pride are way more Nazi then me just bringing up this topic.
so-true
Posted - 5/17/2005 3:05:12 PM Hey BC Immigration.
I don't want to get all self-righteous on you, because you raise some interesting points, but just do this as a favour:
In your first post, replace each occurance of "Asian People" with "White People"
and each occurance of "our" with "us native american".
Now imagine how the native americans felt when the white people arrived and did exactly what you are complaining about with the asians.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - maybe?
so-true
toomuchrice
Posted - 5/17/2005 3:07:24 PM Im sorry to all the asians that grew up in Canada or are making their best effort to be part of this province. I dont know how to distinguish people that come from asia and just dont care about their new neighbours. Sorry to generalize.
Rickeh
Posted - 5/17/2005 3:07:45 PM You are a racist, and I'm metis :/ Canada is a nation of immigrants. I'd rather see Canada be a multicultural society than a collection bunch of white xenophobes. I wish they'd increase immigration really. More asians! They're super hot.
Lebensaar
Posted - 5/17/2005 3:11:52 PM You're an idiot. The Chinese will assimilate eventually as did the Irish, Germans, etc. It takes at least 2 generations. If you notice, on the streets in Vancouver especially, there are very many mixed couples, especially between Caucasian and Chinese. The next generation will have a large proportion of mixed-race kids - another generation later and Vancouver will have transformed into a unique "race" with a mix of European, Chinese and a little bit of Punjabi Indian (but they don't have as many mixed marraiges of course). ALSO, if you notice, Richmond has always been predominantly Cantonese, as have the South and Eastern Vancouver schools. Well, guess what, Cantonese Chinese immigration (i.e. mainly people from Hong Kong) is way way way down recently and instead it is Mandarin-speaking "mainland" Chinese coming over more now. And more filipinos, Koreans, etc. Just as we can't lump the Germans, Norse, Italians, Romanians, Basque, French and Russians as "European" we shouldn't lump the diverse Asian (and even diverse Chinese) types all together. Also, if you notice, Coquitlam and Burnaby are about 40% Chinese, it's not just Richmond. Richmond is sort of like the new "Chinatown", and I mean North-West Richmond within a few hundred metres of Number 3 Road. Nothing wrong with that, makes it interesting I think. And they bring investment, money, educated people, etc. If we want to limit immigration, lets focus on the three main problems:
1) People with no prospects (ie: minimum education level, etc). This is already in place, in GENERAL (see number 2).. and you know what, BC needs more agricultural workers.
2) CRIMINALS. This is important. We have to remove those Honduran drug dealers and NEVER LET THEM BACK IN. Any people with ties to organized crime or any taint of corruption should be barred from coming here, even if they have family here. I don't know about you, but I think a lot of these types fall in non-Chinese catagories (Central American, AMERICANS themselves, Eastern Europeans/Russians, Vietnamese)
3) FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIMS. This is happening in Montreal and Toronto. They are the ones who will never assimilate, and become a thorn in our side like in France. I have nothing against them in general, I just think they shouldn't be HERE. In Canada.
The Chinese are generally hard-working, well-educated, and I would bet have a very very low unemployment rate. I think the mix in Vancouver makes us more interesting.
BCimmigration
Posted - 5/17/2005 3:19:18 PM Rickeh and so-true, you guys have a very good point. Canada is a land of migrants. Natives also migrated here, but at a way earlier time.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" I dont really agree with though.
What happened, and what is happening with North America's native people is and was tragic. Lets not have a repeat.
plus.
Canada is putting in a lot of money to help native people out, it doesnt have to. We are respectful, do u think that Chinese are respectful of other cultures.....like taiwan's?
I want BC to be multicultural, I love it that way. But it wont be Multicultural at this rate.
BCimmigration
Posted - 5/17/2005 3:28:56 PM I bring up "asian people" because they are the most visible and aggresive when it comes to real estate, school, power, etc. Amazingly hard working, its BC immigration laws in general, fund. religion sucks, its bad enough that we have catholic/ christians ones to deal with, let alone muslim. Indo-canadians will never breed with anyone else, and that sucks. The story with the dad killing his own daugther because she fell in love with a white dude, is so sad. It also pisses me off, makes me believe that this whole multi-cultural thing is a fairy tale. It more like a bunch of races living in one stop ready to go at it. Id like to see an asian/ indo- canadian mix, pigs will be flying like crazy when that happens.
BCimmigration
Posted - 5/17/2005 3:37:47 PM While its relatively a fresh post. Im not xenophobic, asia-Canada is not the same as native-canada-europe. Native-North Americians did not have the power to stop it from happening, but we do have the power to stop this century's asian invasion on North Amerca.
Tim
Posted - 8/4/2005 10:03:36 PM BC Immigration:
In case you haven't noticed - for the past decade, it has been the influx of immigration that has propped up the Canadian economy. Often bringing with them significant amounts of capital, and filling in the labour shortage for highly skilled workers. According to data provided by the Canadian High Commission in Hong Kong, the typical HK immigrant entrepreneur household had a net worth of between 1 million to 1.5 million. Many of them are already highly educated, which compared to a similar domestically educated individual, significantly reduces the strain placed on public education resources. Did you know that it costs the public ~1 million for one person to go through a K-12 education?
Going back to the issue of assmilation. This is a reoccurring theme in history for all new commer immigrants. During the early 20th century in the US, Italians were widely regarded in a similar light as Asians today. Closely tight knit communities who were hesitant to assmilate or learn the American culture/language. One must understand that as new immigrants, staying within the confines of your ethnic group is a means of survival, both economically and socially. It's won't be until the 3rd generation immigrants will assimilation truly take place. Remember BC Immigration: your family members were immigrants once as well.
Tim
boo
Posted - 8/4/2005 11:55:48 PM Yes thank you for this post. BC will become China in a few years time and who the fuck would want to immigrate here anymore. Chinese and Koreans should be banned from applying. They shouldn't accept any applications from chink and let them have their fucking pride in their shit hole
1stNationGuy
Posted - 8/5/2005 12:03:41 AM
We 1st nation guys still can't figure out why white guys from Europe gave us the smallpox blanket and kill 99% of our ancestors while those were claiming they wanted to do Fur Trade with us...
Need enlightenment badly indeed ...
vivian
Posted - 8/5/2005 12:09:52 AM BCimmigration... no offence, but I think you are such an idiot...
Why would you mind about them anyway? Don't you think the Asian immigrants are the ones who keep BC (and Canada, as a whole) alive? Immigration is important here, kiddo...
To answer your question; everyone in the world knows Canada is a very diversed country... There is NO SPECIFIC race, OK???
gina
Posted - 8/5/2005 12:14:56 AM It is people like bcimmigration which makes me feels rather discourage to stay here in vancouver anymore. No matter how hard you try, people still think like that, what else can you do...
OwaticaRevived
Posted - 8/5/2005 12:16:28 AM Please let me enlighten you:
"The Only Good Indian Is A Dead Indian" period
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vivian
Posted - 8/5/2005 12:20:14 AM OH god.. you need help, BCimmigration...
I am only guessing... you are against Asian immigrants so much because you are afraid of them, right? You are scared Chinese might get better jobs and be richer than you, right? Stop being so selfish and JEALOUS!
Chinese are very very hard-working people... (my parents) and they DESERVE to be respected!
boo
Posted - 8/5/2005 12:28:51 AM shut up, dont assimilate, go home. stay in Canada become Canadian, not chink
History truth
Posted - 9/24/2005 9:08:41 PM Now let me tell you something! I only have 3questions, and that is...Why didn't the oriental race build the great exploration ships that sailed the oceans and basically colonized the world? Is there any value or sense of identity in a culture that is always changing? Are we all supposed to be 1 single race of people (through interbreeding) with no variation at all. I know this world is in bad trouble!
genio
Posted - 9/24/2005 9:23:45 PM It is exactly people like Bcimmigration that drive the asians to the safe arms of fellow asians.White racists are the very reason for asians not to try getting into Canadian society.SHAME on the bloody rednecks! The only people who have the right to kick out anyone from Canada are the first nation people.
Why didn't the damned white racists try to learn the language of the land?-the first nations.Why didn't they blend into the culture of the first nations?
Now by critizing us immigrants they are exposing their own ass for screwing.The much better people,the first nations,don't whine and gripe about their land being taken over by the Europeans.
We should all focus on making this land the best in the world and not tear it apart.
"When they came for the catholics,I didn't do anything because I was not a catholic.
When they came for the jews,I didn't do anything because I was not a jew.
When they came for the asians,I didn't do anything because I was not an asian.
Now they're coming for me."
claymore
Posted - 9/24/2005 9:46:11 PM Most chinese speak english in Canada, and you rarely see some who don't. It's perfectly normal for them to speak chinese with their families and friends. Picture this, if you are living in hong kong as a non-asian, will you speak cantonese with your families? Most of them will not even bother to learn the language.
Donald
Posted - 9/24/2005 10:11:47 PM
Donald
Posted - 9/24/2005 10:12:51 PM
Donald
Posted - 9/24/2005 10:14:42 PM
Reality
Posted - 12/7/2005 8:28:04 PM BC Immigration & boo. Please contact me at
rj_vancouver @ h o t m a i l . c o m .I would like to discuss this issue with you further. Thanks
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Posted - 12/8/2005 4:44:28 AM Are you sick of racism? Don't expect Canada to do anything. Only China can protect us. Call the Chinese consulate at 604-736-5188 and let them know the true nature of British KKKolumbia!
The People's Liberation Army knows how to deal with RACIST HICKS!!!
1ofthebstellers
Posted - 12/8/2005 5:43:04 AM Who has the power ?
Majority? Yes, the majority has the power in all aspects of life...
If Asians become majority, then this is their right to ask for better conditions for their own way. But here is Canada, and Supreme Court of Canada justifies the final decisions for all Canadians.
So no one can go out there by being majority, and change the rules/law as they like.
We are all Canadian as an immigrant nation, if you would like to live in Canada then you must accept that: you are first Canadian then you are your own nation. This is the way Canadian immigration works...
Being population majority doesn't mean the real major influence on daily life...
I don't see any problem from any majority or minority groups in Vancouver and BC and the earth, the only problems are sick brains, that pushes the brainless people to make separation among the public in regards to people's race-religion-age-sex/sexual preference-fashion-clothing-nation...
So if you think that you are a sick brain then get a help or make a suicide!.. Dont blurr the notr brains...
Have a nice day,
Brainless, one of the bull shit tellers
Geoken
Posted - 12/8/2005 6:16:57 AM In b4 the lock.... BTW, the mods at DV are asian. good luck.
Geoken
Posted - 12/8/2005 6:18:20 AM China is GREAT!
Blah. Blah.....and Blah.
Geoken
Posted - 12/8/2005 6:25:21 AM Just read the rest of the replies.
BCImmigration hang in there. Just enjoy the ride. This place sounds worse the the copy editing room for the CBC.
Your comments about the Chinese are mostly true. Ppl just are uncomfortable and sensitive with how it is discussed. I wouldnt worry about the impact of huge immigration of one particular race to Canada, but it is disparring to see in certain pockets of the country. Your concerns I think are really about Canada, not about any malice towards one particular race.
Of course, the way you said it will get this thread deleted anyways..
the truth
Posted - 12/8/2005 9:59:31 AM I'm sick of people saying that canada is a country of immigrants. IT IS NOT A COUNTRY OF IMMIGRANTS. Its a a country of first nations people who lived here rather uncivilized. A country of colonists (mostly, scottish, british and french) who made this country what it is today. And immgirants who need to assimilate or the current racial problems will become unberable.
Gato
Posted - 12/8/2005 11:18:48 AM My family has lived here for 3 generations, and before that in the U.S. but I'm still targeted as an "immigrant". I know one thing, I sure as hell wouldn't bother to participate in Canadian society though if I didn't have to, those Asians and Indos don't know how lucky they are to have the those big communities where they don't have to deal with hateful xenophobes and racists day in and day out.
MeiFun
Posted - 12/11/2005 1:05:19 PM vivian, u make some good points
White water
Posted - 12/12/2005 1:17:16 PM If you are afraid of Chinese immigrants, just learn Chinese and go to China to make money from them. Don't stay in Vancouver and think how great Vancouver people you are. Why Chinese come here because they are smart, they know Canada has good environment and education system. They want to give their children more chance. I think all Canadian should wake up and learn Chinese. Do business with China and make money from them because the economy in China is getting stronger. Why not make money from them instead of complaining about their immigration to Canada?
VFR_Signal
Posted - 12/12/2005 1:43:03 PM Do business with China and make money from them because the economy in China is getting stronger. Why not make money from them instead of complaining about their immigration to Canada?
Learning Chinese is a good thing as is all knowledge. However, some folks in Canada (and other nations) are quite leary of China's record on various things such as human rights, animal rights, the environment, that the regime is still the same one created by Chairman Mao...a mass murderer, Tiananmen Square 1989, sabre rattling towards Taiwan...etc, etc, etc.
This isn't to say that Communist China won't get some of us taking the bait...greed rules afterall. Plenty of our businessmen and women will no doubt want to cash in on what China has to offer...and perhaps learn a form of Chinese as well, I suppose.
White water
Posted - 12/12/2005 3:17:20 PM yes, I understand. I even worry when China becomes strong, it will be worse than any communist country because the average education level in China is not wide enough and China becomes rich so quick after being so many years poor. It results in many people become greed, dishonest and aggressive. This is why I think Canadian should wake up and prepare for China strong econonmy, especially for Vancouver people. Vancouver is the nearest city in Canada to China. More and more Chinese come here and do business. They have cheap stuff and low price. How can Canada not let them invade ? Learning their language and culture is a good way. If you understand your enemy, you can find a way to influence them and help them to become more democratic.
VFR_Signal
Posted - 12/12/2005 4:30:31 PM Learning their language and culture is a good way. If you understand your enemy, you can find a way to influence them and help them to become more democratic.
I don't think Mainland China has
ever been too keen on Democracy at
any point in time. Also, I'd hate to think of China as
the enemy. Not that it is
that far-fetched. But still you're correct...it certainly is better than doing
nothing. I'm just surprised that monolithic communism as per Joseph Stalin (and, of course Mao) still exists and that we're ready and willing to do business with it...no matter the Disneyland face of reform that the Communist Party puts on for the West. All because it's cheaper? Will we ever stop to think about why it's cheaper?? Apparently not. Might ruin the fantasy.
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Posted - 12/12/2005 5:41:51 PM White water
Posted - 12/12/2005 3:17:20 PM yes, I understand. I even worry when China becomes strong, it will be worse than any communist country because the average education level in China is not wide enough and China becomes rich so quick after being so many years poor. It results in many people become greed, dishonest and aggressive. This is why I think Canadian should wake up and prepare for China strong econonmy, especially for Vancouver people. Vancouver is the nearest city in Canada to China. More and more Chinese come here and do business. They have cheap stuff and low price. How can Canada not let them invade ? Learning their language and culture is a good way. If you understand your enemy, you can find a way to influence them and help them to become more democratic.
You are so stupid. You are probably a white people worshipping asian women. You like to suck white cock, don't you? White man want sucky sucky?
dissappointed
Posted - 12/15/2005 9:54:31 PM [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
I'm a little fed up to discover that I've been a recent victim of reverse descrimination. I got a job with a Korean company here in Vancouver, (I'm a 10th generation Canadian, European background) have lived in Vancouver most of my life and am very proud of this city and country. So after the Christmas dinner with all the Korean people it seems they didn't like me and in our office, I wasn't the right personality. The Korean girls seem very quiet and un-self-expressed. They dress alike, (a lot of black) the men all look and act alike, the wives are always hanging their heads and seem to have no opinion about anything. Well, I'm not like that. I'm Canadian and American and I know how to speak up and express myself. So, unfortunately, I got canned. The reason, well, I just "didn't fit in". You bet I didn't fit in. I have a personality! I'm not a clone, or a product of some ancient archaic, patriarchal society. I'm not making this up! I'm determined to research this more and see what more can be done! Any ideas, anyone? I've never considered myself racist, I love and respect all people, but I'm not about to be taken advantage and I'm afraid that Canadians have been taken advantage of. The goodness and generosity of the Canadian people has been abused. I'm not the only one who feels this way, I know that many many people in this city feel the same way I do. Immigrants, do not come to our fair city and country and expect to behave as though you are in your own country which you have chosen to leave. Do not come here and behave as criminals either. Do not abuse us. [/FONT]
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Galloot
Posted - 12/20/2005 12:25:55 PM Whats wrong with China?
I like the Chinese - especially their women.
Its the damn French I'm concerned about