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从此远离 TD,实在太窝心了

原文链接:https://forum.iask.ca/threads/615083/

sowen : 2012-12-05#1
终于受不了放弃,今天在电话里大骂了他们一顿之后,刚才又写了一封投诉信给他们。懒得翻译了,有兴趣就自己看吧。



I tried to open a TFSA investment account 3 weeks ago (Nov 17th). I met with a finance advisor in a branch and he helped me fill out all the forms and had the account open. Everything seemed to be so nice.

The very next day, the advisor called me that I need to provide my SIN, and he explicitly told me that I could just go to any branch, show the document to the teller, and ask the teller to update my profile, so that he would help me resubmit the application.

I followed his instruction and did that.

After a few days, I saw the invest account show up in my online banking, so I tried to deposit 3k to the account and prepare to do some trading, but I couldn't. The online system showed an error and asked me to call. I was thinking it probably just needed some time to process everything, so I decided to wait another couple days.

Last week, Monday (Nov 26th), the account was still not working, so I called Waterhouse and checked what's going on. They told me, oh, we still need your SIN, so the account is being locked (why the hell you allow me to transfer the money to an account if it's locked!).
I told the staff that I had done as the finance advisor directed. The staff on the phone said I had to fax them the photocopy of my SIN as well as a letter of direction. (He even said I could just fax by myself, I didn’t even need a branch to do it. Check the recorded call if that really exists!)

OK, I would do that. I went to a TD branch next day, and asked a teller to do it. The teller appeared to be confused but she helped me anyway.

After 2 days, the account was still locked. So I called WaterHouse customer service again.

This time, a different staff (I assume) said, hmm, we need you to date the letter of direction and the branch needs to stamp on it (why didn't you tell me the first time!).

OK, I would do what you said. I went to a branch, explained the story again. The teller helped me everything and faxed the documents again.

After another week (Dec 5th, , 14 business days after I request to open the account), the account is still locked. And nobody from Waterhouse has called me for anything. I decided to phone them again.

This time, once again, another staff (I assume) on the phone told me, “we probably have received the photocopy of your SIN, but I don’t see it on the file. Let me try to ask someone else”. After a few minutes, he came back and said, “you need to fax us your visa on the passport”. Well, I am a PR, but I have lived in Canada for a long time. And my SIN is not a temporary number, which has already proved that I am a PR. That does NOT make any sense for me to present my visa and even anything from my passport (btw, you guys already have my driver license information!).

I just cannot take it any more, so I decide to withdraw the money, even though it’s my this-year TFSA contribution.

What really unacceptable are:

- TD staffs appear to be uneducated. When I met with the finance advisor, he should have checked if my information is complete before sending me out (I wrote him 2 emails later and received no response).
- Every time I called, I was asked to provide something more. They just cannot ask for everything in one time. I feel like being played by those customer service staffs. (check the recorded call if that really exists, every time the staff said, this is exactly what you need to do, then next time, oh, we still need this. I guess if I still follow your instruction, next time I call, I will need to submit a birth certificate, gender certificate, human being certificate, whatever).
- TD WaterHouse does not value clients (at least not me, maybe because I didn’t deposit too much money). If a client calls, that means there is a situation to follow, so follow it and resolve the situation please. If you need me to fax something, call me when you receive the fax; if you need more information, call me. No one ever contacts me (well, only one person contacts me, for survey! I should redo that survey now!).

Anyway, I am done with TD Canada. I am pulling all my money out and move to another bank. I don’t have a lot of money, so you don’t really have to value me. But shame on you!

小小喇叭 : 2012-12-06#2
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在接触越来越多的本地工作者之后,你会发现加拿大人的特点:

工作尽量少做(难听点:偷懒),缺乏责任心,但表面工夫很好:说的很好听,笑的也不错。

你的事件中,错在给你开户的人,没有要SIN卡,并留复印件存档,至于后来者则可能工作不到位,没把文档存到需要的地方。

所以,我们要尽可能的自己想周全,做周全。比如,这个账户和税务局关联(你一年存超过5千,他们会找你),所以SIN卡资料肯定要;然后出错了,最好回原开户行补材料,自己直接把材料送去,减少银行中转,降低工作不到位造成的麻烦。

我曾经因为搬家,改地址,连让TELLER改了几次,最后银行的信还是寄到旧地址,愤怒之下,关了账户。那是另一家银行。不知道为什么TELLER的电脑屏已经显示新地址,信还是寄旧地址。也许电脑系统没传达,也许那个发信的人没更新地址。

deepbluehan : 2012-12-06#3
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写的好,看得俺也一肚子气,真匪夷所思,怀疑:一是智商问题,二是都在混饭吃。

寂寞旅程 : 2012-12-06#4
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好样的,佩服!不过我还是坚守TD。

天涯 : 2012-12-06#5
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银行有时候确实是有点让人感到难受。楼主消消气,加拿大就是这样,时间长了就习惯了,俺以前也有象你这样生气的,是被一家叫做什么大通的电信公司搞得都快要发疯了。

正正当当的投诉,不要说气话。

梦溪 : 2012-12-07#6
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哪家银行都可能有这类事情,就是看被谁赶上了。我的遭遇是在RBC,也就让我永远远离了那家银行。

月季 : 2012-12-07#7
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我讨厌汇丰银行,回回在柜台问个问题都不会回答。回回都把我搞到一边找个人具体接待我,回回浪费很多个人宝贵时间,一句话,柜台的都是只管存和取,其他的一概不知!后台的工作人员就是不停的核对信息,做些不着边的事!回回都很生气,想换家说国语的银行,不知道各位有哪家好推荐?谢谢

wada : 2012-12-07#8
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来了加拿大后发现这里银行的工作人员很多业务不熟练的,同一件事情,各有各的说法,运气好的,碰上靠谱的人,一次就能办成,否则就要折腾几次。不比较不知道,国内银行电信的服务已算很好了。

TD曾想去开户的,碰到个风风火火却一问三不知的客户经理,还让我们等了半天,后来就没开户。

concair : 2012-12-07#9
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通篇思路混乱,词不达语,不知所云。奉劝lz最好找个 financial advisor who has same mother tongue with you, 否则是没人会明白你讲什么的。

战斗在加国 : 2012-12-07#10
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我弱弱地推荐:TD (虽然在这个帖子里面提这个建议很伤大雅)

因为我自己就是同时在cibc,td有账户的。相比之下,td网点多,中文服务多(不论是员工,还是电话银行),上班时间长。

我以前在多伦多下班后,到银行办点事,cibc大部分基本就已经关门了,但是td有不少分支直到晚上7点还营业。

我是TD的忠实客户,所有的帐户都在TD

jmgg328 : 2012-12-07#11
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来加三个月,到现在只开了一个帐户,是TD的,到目前为止暂时还可以,网点多,服务时间长,中文服务,前天还在他们一分行得到送的一本新台历,另自己厚脸皮要了几支原珠笔,所以斗胆上来为他们说几句好话。

stonegump : 2012-12-07#12
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我刚转到TD,感觉还可以。楼下TD周四周五晚上8点才下班。

elea : 2012-12-07#13
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大致意思看明白了。LZ是否找的它家的中文服务代表?我个人觉得华人客服的水平比英文的强,而且也没有语言沟通的问题。

还有,如I guess if I still follow your instruction, next time I call, I will need to submit a birth certificate, gender certificate, human being certificate, whatever 这类话其实不应该写在投诉信里,投诉就事论事,这些话实在没法给你自己的形象加分。。。

你在信里说了两遍letter of direction,我想你应该不是笔误,你确认不是Letter of Instruction (LOI)?

天涯 : 2012-12-08#14
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我弱弱地推荐:TD (虽然在这个帖子里面提这个建议很伤大雅)

因为我自己就是同时在cibc,td有账户的。相比之下,td网点多,中文服务多(不论是员工,还是电话银行),上班时间长。

我以前在多伦多下班后,到银行办点事,cibc大部分基本就已经关门了,但是td有不少分支直到晚上7点还营业。
有同感。虽然曾经也有发生过误会,银行多收了我十多块钱,其实有很多情况并不是钱的事,真的现在跟刚来加拿大打累脖工的时候还是有点不一样的,但心里感觉不太舒服。后来银行解释了,我也理解它的政策了,就算了,只要态度好,十多块钱并不是个什么太大的问题。我这么多年,只使用TD一家银行,所以的账户都在这家银行。这是觉得它给我带来的方便大大多于不快和麻烦。

寂寞旅程 : 2012-12-08#15
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我弱弱地推荐:TD (虽然在这个帖子里面提这个建议很伤大雅)

因为我自己就是同时在cibc,td有账户的。相比之下,td网点多,中文服务多(不论是员工,还是电话银行),上班时间长。

我以前在多伦多下班后,到银行办点事,cibc大部分基本就已经关门了,但是td有不少分支直到晚上7点还营业。
:wdb6:又撞上了,修炉子的MM,TD真的比CIBC好多了。我是从C跳到TD的。建议LZ找到比TD好的再跳也不迟,日常业务,房屋贷款,玩股票都是TD最方便,纯属个人看法。

snowflakes : 2012-12-08#16
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中国有句古话,不打不相识,楼主留步,TD在加拿大几大行算好的了。

sowen : 2012-12-08#17
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通篇思路混乱,词不达语,不知所云。奉劝lz最好找个 financial advisor who has same mother tongue with you, 否则是没人会明白你讲什么的。

不明白我哪里说的不清楚,还请指教

我至少对自己的英语交流还是有得自信

sowen : 2012-12-08#18
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大致意思看明白了。LZ是否找的它家的中文服务代表?我个人觉得华人客服的水平比英文的强,而且也没有语言沟通的问题。

还有,如I guess if I still follow your instruction, next time I call, I will need to submit a birth certificate, gender certificate, human being certificate, whatever 这类话其实不应该写在投诉信里,投诉就事论事,这些话实在没法给你自己的形象加分。。。

你在信里说了两遍letter of direction,我想你应该不是笔误,你确认不是Letter of Instruction (LOI)?

no, it's letter of direction

是 TD 的电话客服说的,要我自己写的

sowen : 2012-12-08#19
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补充一下,我知道每间银行都差不多,我已经在加拿大差不多10年了,我在几家不同的银行都有帐号。只是这次想在 waterhouse 买他的 e-series 而已。没有想到前后折腾几乎一个月都没有搞好。我最不满意的是,他们的客服系统混乱。

it's like, oh, your account has 10 items missing, let me tell you the first one on the list this time; when you call next time, we will see if you have done the first item properly...

他们就好像坐在那里,什么也不做,直到我打电话才动一下

我已经说了,when a customer calls, that means there is an issue, then they should try to follow and resolve it.

the system should have been much simpler if they create a ticket, which only the client can close it. A staff will this ticket in a queue and someone should monitor the queue and resolve clients' problems one by one.

if they need me to fax, call me when they receive the fax; if something is still missing, call me!

anyway, if some of you don't get the feeling, that's fine. I guess those only know the pain when it hurts themselves .

战斗在加国 : 2012-12-08#20
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TD的中文服务很好的,银行里的人不一定清楚 waterhouse的业务,最好是先打waterhouse的中文服务电话问清楚流程,再到分行去办理. 如果分行具体经办人不清楚,可以让他们打电话去waterhouse确认

concair : 2012-12-08#21
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不明白我哪里说的不清楚,还请指教

我至少对自己的英语交流还是有得自信

估计问题就出在你“对自己的英语交流还是有自信”。从后面得知你也来加有10年了,所以估计你在来加后也没有认真地去学过英语,如ESL此类的。只要曾经参加过ESL写作学习的,是不会在全文里出现那么多的双动词句子而不用相应或正确的关联词。
如 "Well, I am a PR, but I have lived in Canada for a long time.", 在老外来看至少是有点费解。估计你的意思应是 "Well, I am a PR, and have lived in Canada for a long time."。也只有我们这些中文人能够连蒙带猜,猜出你全文的意思。在这不是要贬低什么的,因为这是事实。这也是我自己所经历过的。
在后面简直就是发泄性漫骂。不能够说"TD staffs appear to be uneducated",只能说部分人"seem not that well trainned"。

sowen : 2012-12-08#22
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估计问题就出在你“对自己的英语交流还是有自信”。从后面得知你也来加有10年了,所以估计你在来加后也没有认真地去学过英语,如ESL此类的。只要曾经参加过ESL写作学习的,是不会在全文里出现那么多的双动词句子而不用相应或正确的关联词。
如 "Well, I am a PR, but I have lived in Canada for a long time.", 在老外来看至少是有点费解。估计你的意思应是 "Well, I am a PR, and have lived in Canada for a long time."。也只有我们这些中文人能够连蒙带猜,猜出你全文的意思。在这不是要贬低什么的,因为这是事实。这也是我自己所经历过的。
在后面简直就是发泄性漫骂。不能够说"TD staffs appear to be uneducated",只能说部分人"seem not that well trainned"。


嗯,确实这两句是有点不妥,我愿意接受批评。untrained 确实会比 uneducated 要合适。多谢指教。关键我是在最气的时候写的,很多东西只是直接口语化就写下去了。

但我不认为我的故事没有讲清楚,也并不觉得我的故事有讲的有那么多的语法问题。我也不认为我在跟他们交流的时候有什么误解。

因为从阁下的原话来讲,基本上就是我没明白他们的话,所以,错都是在我,而不是他们。

另外,请阁下不要随便对别人的历史进行评价,我实在没有必要在这里去澄清我的英语背景,但是我可以告诉你我至少在这边完成的 graduate 和在 conference 发过 paper 和 做过 presentation 。我只能说,在中文网站上如果用英语讲什么东西,都会至少一个人跳出来指出语法问题,这个确实是一个非常普遍的现象。

concair : 2012-12-09#23
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TD WaterHouse does not value clients (at least not me, maybe because I didn’t deposit too much money). 不觉得前半句与后半句相互矛盾吗?也许是 TD WaterHouse does not value clients (at least me, maybe because I didn’t deposit too much money). 这个意思吧?
很老实地说,不是想去评论什么的或贬低别人。通常对于我们这些中文的ESL人来说,能够明白老外所讲的是不会太难,但老外能否完全明白我们所讲的英文,有时候不能不说是道难题。所以,对于一些重要的事情,我是会尽可能找讲中文的或要求提供翻译。

sowen : 2012-12-09#24
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TD WaterHouse does not value clients (at least not me, maybe because I didn’t deposit too much money). 不觉得前半句与后半句相互矛盾吗?也许是 TD WaterHouse does not value clients (at least me, maybe because I didn’t deposit too much money). 这个意思吧?
很老实地说,不是想去评论什么的或贬低别人。通常对于我们这些中文的ESL人来说,能够明白老外所讲的是不会太难,但老外能否完全明白我们所讲的英文,有时候不能不说是道难题。所以,对于一些重要的事情,我是会尽可能找讲中文的或要求提供翻译。


hehe, ok, i will stop from here so u can get a life

i was not looking for any sympathy or trying to convince anyone to stay away from td in here.

i was simply finding a place to release my anger, as i was upset by the way they treated me. if anyone has a good experience with td, congrats. it's totally your own choice. if anyone here feels telling a true story is inappropriate her, just delete this thread, i am cool with it.

summertea : 2012-12-28#25
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运气不好而已,不必太生气。TD的服务在加拿大算好的了。

vanessaxiao : 2013-01-10#26
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我是在TD WATERHOUSE工作的,不过不是DISCOUNT BROKERAGE,而是PRIVATE INVESTMENT ADVICE,但是我们都共用一个BACK OFFICE。首先,楼主的LETTER OF DIRECTION完全没有错,我们内部都是这么叫的,第二,楼主的英文大家都看的懂,我不觉得有任何理解障碍。第三,这次错误的原因是在于开户的ADVISOR先没有拿足够的资料,叫楼主补材料的人又没有经验,因为TD waterhouse所有的ID复印件都要盖CERTIFIED TRUE COPY的章,而LOD要盖signature guaranteed的章,这些是要分行员工帮你盖的。而分行实际上是TDbank而非TD WATERHOUSE,很多时候他们是不知道的(尤其是新员工)。第四,楼主遇到最后一次电话要VISA绝对是无理要求,他们大概以为你是NON RESIDENT,如果以后打CALL CENTER电话,不论是哪家银行,请记得要接线的人拼他们的名字给你,最好写下分机号,具体通话时间,然后在遇上这样无理要求的时候就直接说,根据某某天什么时间谁谁告诉我的,这些材料足够了,你们要是有问题,你们自己内部处理清楚,我只要在什么时间前一定要有结果,如果你的LEVEL做不到,我要ESCALATR到你们的MANAGER。他们就会一定要帮你ESCALATE然后RUSH这个REQUEST。最后,楼主其实不用提钱出来,这样你今年的免税额就用掉了,因该是在其他银行开好户以后直接transfer,就不会有影响了。
希望帮到看贴的同学和楼主

renjun64 : 2013-01-10#27
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我在TD银行和waterhouse都有账户,到目前没有大问题,感觉挺好的,我老婆在RBC也还行,但我感觉服务不如TD。小问题一定有,出错也有,自己调整心态好好沟通就好了。我的TD卡拿到后好久不能用,搞得我很麻烦,买好东西无法付钱,等一个多小时我LP来结账。找柜员不知道,后来查到另外部门的头才知道给我冻结了,因为不明资金进入我的账户,其实是我自己的钱,找别人汇的,解释后即解冻。可恶在他们在冻结我的卡后不通知我。也是不同部门协调有问题,具体每个人态度都还好。我继续用TD,真还犯不着为这事生气,自己身体重要!

虾米米 : 2013-10-18#28
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通篇思路混乱,词不达语,不知所云。奉劝lz最好找个 financial advisor who has same mother tongue with you, 否则是没人会明白你讲什么的。
自以为是,外加尖酸刻薄。

虾米米 : 2013-10-18#29
回复: 从此远离 TD,实在太窝心了

估计问题就出在你“对自己的英语交流还是有自信”。从后面得知你也来加有10年了,所以估计你在来加后也没有认真地去学过英语,如ESL此类的。只要曾经参加过ESL写作学习的,是不会在全文里出现那么多的双动词句子而不用相应或正确的关联词。
如 "Well, I am a PR, but I have lived in Canada for a long time.", 在老外来看至少是有点费解。估计你的意思应是 "Well, I am a PR, and have lived in Canada for a long time."。也只有我们这些中文人能够连蒙带猜,猜出你全文的意思。在这不是要贬低什么的,因为这是事实。这也是我自己所经历过的。
在后面简直就是发泄性漫骂。不能够说"TD staffs appear to be uneducated",只能说部分人"seem not that well trainned"。

虾米米 : 2013-10-18#30
回复: 从此远离 TD,实在太窝心了

又一次,尖酸刻薄,自以为是,外加....

soleil_lee-太阳李 : 2013-10-18#31
回复: 从此远离 TD,实在太窝心了

我来加拿大5年多,用到现在也是觉得TD算好的了。
TD Waterhouse 跟一般的TDbank是两家人。 我在TDWATERHOUSE开户也折藤了很久,主要是感觉TDBANK里的人对WATERHOUSE那一块不太熟。而自己又无法直接联系WATERHOUSE必须通过TDBank. 我当时开完户以后也是缺材料导致我错过了好几次机会无法买进。中途TDBANK也是少传了一份资料。
不过最后还是开好了,开完以后用到现在2年,觉得还是很方便的。